Mike Tyson weaving question

[biscuitsbrah]

We all talk about head movement as being hip movement. But from what I see in Tyson is him just swaying his upper body left and right, is this a different kind of weaving? I see a lot of people who do like a slip and a roll in which it looks like the legs are doing a lunge and a squat and the shoulders are turning also. But the way Tyson does his peek-a-boo hes not doing any of that, just simply leaning side to side from what I can tell.

Anyone care to explain this?

 

[Sinister]

We've gone over this a bunch of times in different threads. I'm not 100% sure why, but when I worked with a kid who was trained in the peek-a-boo system he relayed that the way they move, and also the squaring up, was specifically designed to begin counter-punch combinations with certain tricky punches. But it is definitely lower-back heavy, and has a tendency to send the front foot forward.

 

[Mr Mojo Lane]

Didn't Teddy Atlas have back problems?? Using your lower back in jerky movements like that could hurt your back quicker than doing deadlifts.

Anyways, bending w/ your back is weak. Bending with your knees is stronger. If they bend w/ their back, you can keep pushing them down

 

[Sinister]

All of them had lower-back problems. Well, Teddy had scoliosis specifically. But Tyson had lower-back problems, Floyd Patterson was having his corner crack his back in between rounds in the Ali fight.

But the WAY the bend you're not going to accomplish with knees alone. Hips are the way to go.

 

[giancana]

, but when I worked with a kid who was trained in the peek-a-boo system he relayed that the way they move, and also the squaring up

whats the difference between squaring up and pyramid footwork?what mike tyson does reminds me of ike williams , he gets in range squares up and squares his opponent up and then bangs the opponent with combinations

 

[Sinister]

Ike wasn't always perfectly square with his feet exactly side-by-side and shoulders fully frontal.

 

[aries]

I'll add my two pennies. I've heard this style of slipping called Penguin slipping. Slipping like that is fast because it's pretty much just movement from the waist up using the side musculature as springs so you end up with a metronome action. It doesn't surprise me if many of the people who use this style have lower back problems as the pivot point is then lower lumbar joint which obviously can't be good for it after hundreds and hundreds of reps let alone thousands that guys like this must accumulate during a career. So the main function of this is speed which Tyson was known for, particularly his head movement and the main sacrifice would seem to be the health of your lower back and that you are quite square to your opponent.

 

[PivotPunch]

I think the peekaboo style of weaving is not only back movement but also hip movement. You need like to spots to bend and while the more healthy way is knees plus hips that peekaboo thing is hips plus back.
I think it's pretty interesting that Tyson used the back for side movements/slips but he used primarily the knees and a little bit of hips and sometimes even exclusively the knees for up and down movement. At least from what I see