Measuring Punching Power - Sig Strikes PER knockdown at HW

[Zebra Cheeks]

it’s absolutely crazy when you compare Ngannou power to other Hw’s. I wasn’t surprised to see Walt so high, and I think it speaks volumes to his vulnerabilities in other areas.

 

[hohner]

Would love to see this for all the old HWs as well. Cool stat.

 

[The Finnish Flash]

Spivac with the GOAT KO power

 

[Get To Da Choppa]

Ford Escort confirmed to be a knockout machine!

Also A level athlete Greg Hardy at #20, 1 knockdown per 336 significant strikes. That's WMMA level probably

 

[EndlessCritic]

Curtis Blaydes' significant strikes landed on the ground count towards his significant strike numbers, but since he was already grounded when he threw them, they skew his statistics to make it appear that his strikes are less powerful than they are.

The result is a nonsensical idea that he has 1 knockdown with 478 significant strikes thrown, even though he has 5 UFC KO's.

If these statistics are to be meaningful, they shouldn't be counting grounded significant strikes -- only significant strikes thrown from the standing position.

EDIT: Even more strangely, Blaydes lone knockdown is credited against Aleksei Oleinik. This means they somehow aren't counting his standing finish over JDS as a knockdown. That's utterly moronic.

 

[djason1988]

That's actually cool as shit to see. Obviously not a 100% reflection of power, as many "sig strikes" are to the legs and body, but awesome nonetheless

 

[Odoylerules4lyf]

Arlovkis stats must have been so much better 6 years ago

 

[Shay Brennan]

Tuivasa is in the top 5 with only 9 fights. Impressive
He is fighting in the lower echelon of the division though

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

Curtis Blaydes' significant strikes landed on the ground count towards his significant strike numbers, but since he was already grounded when he threw them, they skew his statistics to make it appear that his strikes are less powerful than they are.

The result is a nonsensical idea that he has 1 knockdown with 478 significant strikes thrown, even though he has 5 UFC KO's.

If these statistics are to be meaningful, they shouldn't be counting grounded significant strikes -- only significant strikes thrown from the standing position.

That’s relevant and fair feedback. I wonder if those numbers are readily accessible. If the ufc doesn’t track them it’s probably not possible to provide that type of data.

 

[youllneverwalkalone]

Nice work. I am guessing Stipe prior to the trilogy with DC would have been quite a few spots higher.

 

[EndlessCritic]

That’s relevant and fair feedback. I wonder if those numbers are readily accessible. If the ufc doesn’t track them it’s probably not possible to provide that type of data.

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/066756ea40b134a7

Fightmetric distinguishes between "distance", "clinch", and "ground" strikes.

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

http://ufcstats.com/fight-details/066756ea40b134a7

Fightmetric distinguishes between "distance", "clinch", and "ground" strikes.

I guess that begs my next question. Do you include clinch strikes? While it can potentially result in a knockdown an argument can be made that for some fighters, like a Kamaru Usman for example, there are “significant strikes” that are thrown that could result in the data being skewed there as well.

 

[g*r*b]

Nice work. I am guessing Stipe prior to the trilogy with DC would have been quite a few spots higher.

Maybe, but the thing with Stipe is he was brought up to be more of a volume puncher, not always throwing at full power. Which hits on a big problem with the theory behind this post: it doesn't account for how fighting styles may impact the ratios.

 

[Iron Nick]

it’s absolutely crazy when you compare Ngannou power to other Hw’s. I wasn’t surprised to see Walt so high, and I think it speaks volumes to his vulnerabilities in other areas.

Accuracy plays a role too (which is why i think A. Silva is the leader or crazy up high at 185, despite nothing more than decent power) but either way, it's legitimately crazy - i mean the guy is pretty close to half the amount of strikes of the second place, lol.

 

[Iron Nick]

@Zebra Cheeks just saw that it isn't half the strike ratio (was looking at sign. strikes landed) but the difference is still crazy

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

@Zebra Cheeks just saw that it isn't half the strike ratio (was looking at sign. strikes landed) but the difference is still crazy

Yeah man it’s pretty close. I was actually looking at stats to make a thread about Gane but decided to wait it out. It’s crazy. His numbers are actually very similar to some huge name guys. I want to see if it continues to hold as he fights guys like Francis.

 

[M.U.S.C.L.E.]

Tanner Bosser more powerful than Cyril Gane, got it!

Oh, and Ilir Latifi, who's never knocked out a heavyweight, is more powerful than Derrick Lewis, sure!

 

[Zebra Cheeks]

Tanner Bosser more powerful than Cyril Gane, got it!

Oh, and Ilir Latifi, who's never knocked out a heavyweight, is more powerful than Derrick Lewis, sure!

I don’t think anyone is concluding that this is the only measure, or that it’s 100% correct. As discussed above there’s a lot of things to consider or that can skew the numbers. This is just a collection of stats. What you conclude from them is totally up to you.

 

[M.U.S.C.L.E.]

I don’t think anyone is concluding that this is the only measure, or that it’s 100% correct. As discussed above there’s a lot of things to consider or that can skew the numbers. This is just a collection of stats. What you conclude from them is totally up to you.

You concluded that they were accurate. "Amazing," you said.
I conclude that they're shit.
If watching the fights is too difficult, and you need statistics, I have an even better measure of power. Look at % of wins by KO.

 

[PurpleStorm]

Quality thread. Must be acknowledged. They are rare.