Mayweather vs Lomachenko

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I am a filthy casual boxing fan. I am really impressed with Lomachenko...I know he is substantially smaller but how would a fight between him and Mayweather go? I wouldn't be asking this if it were prime Mayweather obviously but he is getting older.
 
Skill wise, mayweather couldn't carry Lomachenkos jock strap.

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They're separated by 17 pounds in weight classes at the moment (if can even call Mayweather an active fighter). If you're talking SFW Mayweather against 130 pound Lomachenko, we have a more interesting conversation.
 
you have to favor Mayweather. He's generally regarded as the 130 GOAT (Arguello, Elorde, Nelson and Pac are probably the top 5 for me and I'm not sure I'd pick Loma over any of them at 130 until we see more of him) and as good as Loma clearly is, I'm not going to pick against Floyd until Loma has done more work. It'd be a competitive fight though IMO.
 
If Floyd were to come out of retirement and fight Loma I would genuinely have no idea how to predict that fight. The safe bet would be Floyd considering his accomplishments, but he's 40 years old now. Lomachenko is younger and is one of the most technically skilled fighters I've ever seen. It'd be a chess match for the ages that's for sure.
 
This mythical match-up has been done and done objectively at that. One of the main writers for Fight Saga (www.fightsaga.com), Joe Herron (a huge Mayweather fan), got a well respected pro boxing trainer with three decades of experience, James Gogue, on the War a Week Radio Network to break it down stylistically, their skills and physical attributes. His analysis is easy enough to understand for a casual as well.

The video is nearly an hour long and analyzes Lomachenko at this point, after beating Nicholas Walters, vs "Pretty Boy" Floyd circa 2001 after he beat Diego Corrales. This was the version of Floyd at 130 pounds (where Lomachenko is now) with healthy hands and power, but, he wasn't in his prime quite yet and was still growing and developing his strength.

I'll say that everything that Gogue touches on is something I've already written about here and, in some cases, further elaborated on in this forum after studying Lomachenko on film. I've talked to this trainer/analyst many times. He's a knowledgeable guy that likes to talk to other analysts in boxing on Twitter (very respected analysts like Lee John Wylie). James Toney actually taught Gogue the Michigan Shell personally, and Toney was arguably the best at using it. Styles make fights though and this is just one trainer's opinion on the subject. He knows Floyd and his family personally.

 
Too much of a size and a marketability gap to make it a reality. But I think it would be an incredible fight, even in 2017 at 138 pounds. I'd go with Floyd since he's proven that he can beat elite fighters, but looking at each of them box it's tough to imagine either losing.
 
Floyd is bigger and would be fighting a guy who would give him a lot to counter. Floyd would smack him around, toy with him after 3 rounds.
 
130 lbs. Floyd formulates a gameplan, tests Vasyl the first couple of rounds, adjusts accordingly, and proceeds to give Vasyl a boxing lesson en route to a UD or TKO victory. Followed by eurotards hopping on Sherdog with pre-fight made laundry lists of excuses.
 
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Lomachenko wins a close MD...

all of Mayweather fans will spam the fu*k out of every boxing forum screaming robbery...

some will start to off themselves, decreasing the population of the worst fan base in sports history.
 
Lomachenko wins a close MD...

all of Mayweather fans will spam the fu*k out of every boxing forum screaming robbery...

some will start to off themselves, decreasing the population of the worst fan base in sports history.
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Floyd is bigger and would be fighting a guy who would give him a lot to counter. Floyd would smack him around, toy with him after 3 rounds.
What do you mean by this? I rarely, if ever, see Lomanchenko off-balance or out of position. He seems very selected in his offense, although he is more aggressive than most technical boxers.
 
This mythical match-up has been done and done objectively at that. One of the main writers for Fight Saga (www.fightsaga.com), Joe Herron (a huge Mayweather fan), got a well respected pro boxing trainer with three decades of experience, James Gogue, on the War a Week Radio Network to break it down stylistically, their skills and physical attributes. His analysis is easy enough to understand for a casual as well.

The video is nearly an hour long and analyzes Lomachenko at this point, after beating Nicholas Walters, vs "Pretty Boy" Floyd circa 2001 after he beat Diego Corrales. This was the version of Floyd at 130 pounds (where Lomachenko is now) with healthy hands and power, but, he wasn't in his prime quite yet and was still growing and developing his strength.

I'll say that everything that Gogue touches on is something I've already written about here and, in some cases, further elaborated on in this forum after studying Lomachenko on film. I've talked to this trainer/analyst many times. He's a knowledgeable guy that likes to talk to other analysts in boxing on Twitter (very respected analysts like Lee John Wylie). James Toney actually taught Gogue the Michigan Shell personally, and Toney was arguably the best at using it. Styles make fights though and this is just one trainer's opinion on the subject. He knows Floyd and his family personally.



Have a listen to Gogue's analysis in the YouTube video I embedded. You might be surprised with what he has to say about this mythical match-up at 130 pounds (when Floyd's hands were still good after beating Corrales). It's a complete & objective analysis, unlike Seano's biased & less than insightful "he'd toy with him" post. This guy actually trains fighters, has been for 3 decades and is credible in the boxing community at the highest levels of the pros and amateurs. He's legit.

James Gogue (on the left wearing the blue Texas Instruments hat) with Joe Frazier and Floyd when he was an Olympian back in '96.




Holding the pads for Tony "The Tiger" Lopez back in '93.



Two of his fans you'll recognize
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Very tricky fight to predict. I personally am a big Lomachenko fan but Floyd is so defensively tight that I don't see Lomachenko being able to land much offence on him but I think he would land more than anyone else has ever done due to his speed and varied angles. I think he'd give Floyd his trickiest opponent to deal with and Floyd would have to be on his A game to beat him. If I got to pick one of them then I'd pick Lomachenko just because he is the more active fighter and whilst his land percentage would be his lowest ever he still be landing more than Floyd.
 
Mayweather. Lomachenko hasn't faced anyone with anything close to the ring IQ that Floyd has. Loma is a beast but this is the pros and a 7-1, 130lb fighter isn't going to beat Floyd Mayweather. There's a big difference between avoiding shots from Salido or Walters and Floyd Mayweather.
 
Some things I enjoy watching both boxers.

When Loma fought Walters, actually Walter's could almost fool you into thinking he was in that fight. Or rather, I FEEL, Loma almost fooled us that Walter's was in that fight. I'm not sure what to call what was happening, but when Loma was kinda like, what? Stepping around? Walter's was able to avoid excessive damage and even counter a little because he pivoted on his lead leg and moved with Loma, it was a small bubble of success but pretty much Loma figured out his arsenal there, learned to safely navigate the sequence of things he knew Walter's was going to do, and soon took away that one safehaven a refuge Walter's had.

Floyd has been doing this for years, we all know that already. Sometimes I wonder too, if on top of all these skills, like... like there's gotta be some level of like, knowing how to count cards or something with Floyd. Loma, too. It's like they know their opponent's hand, and also know the exact score of the fight blows landed the whole time. Well, whatever, Im done.
 
No way Floyd loses against anyone that he is not at least as big as him and as fast as him.
Loma has really short reach. Mayweather is the kind of guy that you can't give any physical advantage.

I don't see anything that Loma has that could make him win. He only has volume but that won't help him.

Technically Floyd is one of the best ever so even if Loma ends up to be as good as his most devoted fans hope he is,
he would at best be as good as Mayweather in that front.

I like Loma but it will be a while till we see another Mayweather or Pacman. (although Roman Gonzalez almost managed to make it there ... :( )

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Thanks for the video. I haven't watched it yet. I will keep an open mind till then.
 
May wins on speed alone. He was pure lighting with feet and hands at those lighter weight classes.

Edit: Also had good power.
 
Mayweather, with his record its insane that anybody would ever pick against him.
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