Matt Brown explains why he doesn’t eliminate Jon Jones from GOAT conversation despite positive drug tests

[payton]

“My two cents is realistically that should not negate him because the vast majority of guys he’s competing against are doing the same shit,”

"The whole USADA, whatever drug testing they have now … the whole thing is a cat and mouse game. If you have the money, you can beat it."

"if you look at it realistically, the vast majority are doing it if they can afford to do it or they have the means to do it.”

“That’s our whole life, our whole identity is fighting. If you can take something that’s going to maximize that, the vast majority of people will do it. "

"In terms of accomplishments, you can’t say [Jon Jones] wasn’t the best ever."

More: https://www.mmafighting.com/ufc/401...goat-conversation-despite-positive-drug-tests


Do you agree with The Immortal?

 

[hoevan]

No. Why didnt Usada catch everyone?

 

[WildShrimper]

No. Why didnt Usada catch everyone?

Because that's the whole point of cycling

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

100% agree with Matt.

 

[Albert Barese]

Matt Brown needs to show me the animal

 

[froggyluv]

No. Why didnt Usada catch everyone?

Because catching up to latest and creative doping protocols is like catching up to the latest hacker virus. Go check the history of Doping in Tour de France/Cycling's long history -you'll break your mouse wheel trying to keep up with amount of evasion and PED's since the 1880's. But alls you hear about is Lance Armstrong.

List of doping cases in cycling - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[L0ki]

Looking past the juice, his record is still in a similar spot as Georges'.

Boner's record reads right: he has a loss but it should be to Reyes and it's highly unlikely Jon's going to get that one back.

There's still a contingency that holds he lost the Gus and Santos fights.



GSP can say he's beaten every fighter he's ever fought.

There are peeps who thought he lost to Hendricks (I saw the fight 6 times: scored it twice for Hendricks, twice for GSP and twice a Draw). Relative to resumes, the Hendricks fight balances out the Gus fight.

The Hughes and Serra losses were avenged, including one of them twice. GSP does have one more loss than Boner but again, those were avenged.



Even if you give the ok to steroids, there's still a case for GSP having a stronger resume.

 

[FrankDux]

 

[hbombbisping]

He proably knows Jon

there's no defending a cheat unless you are shady or friends

 

[froggyluv]

Even if you give the ok to steroids, there's still a strong case for GSP having a stronger resume.

I think the majority of the people in GOAT contention say "Jones" themselves when they could easily bypass him and make him a pariah with zero blowback. But at the very highest levels of just about anything -alot comes down to just your preference. Like GOAT rock Guitarist/Vocalist can vary as one may be more technically prolific while another one just had more of your preferred style etc..

 

[Mammothman]

100% agree with Matt.

So do I and most fighters as well.

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

In a perfect world there would be no PEDs, but this isn't a perfect world. I like that testing exists, but Jones is the GOAT. GSP and Khabib have both stated, on multiple occasions, the exact same opinion as Matt. Even Islam has picked Jones in his top four.

For good measure, mighty mouse also picked Jon Jones as the GOAT.

 

[BFoe]

Nah, I disagree, for two reasons:

1. I think it’s lazy to just say, “well, I think his opponents are cheating too,” when we don’t know that they are. Sure, we know some of Jones’ opponents failed PED tests, but *all* of them? We don’t know that.

2. What about other GOAT candidates who arguably have an equally good resume but never failed PED tests? We should just lazily say, “meh, they probably used steroids too” even though there’s no evidence of that?

 

[Hymen Crusher]

He had the most money and got caught more then anyone. That has to matter for something. Plus Matt just admitted he did steroids.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

He had the most money and got caught more then anyone. That has to matter for something. Plus Matt just admitted he did steroids.

Because Jon isn’t too bright outside of fighting and his team must’ve been slacking too.

 

[Elvis.]

Well that justifies everything

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Drug addicts stick together.

 

[Superzorro]

Looking past the juice, his record is still in a similar spot as Georges'.

Boner's record reads right: he has a loss but it should be to Reyes and it's highly unlikely Jon's going to get that one back.

There's still a contingency that holds he lost the Gus and Santos fights.



GSP can say he's beaten every fighter he's ever fought.

There are peeps who thought he lost to Hendricks (I saw the fight 6 times: scored it twice for Hendricks, twice for GSP and twice a Draw). Relative to resumes, the Hendricks fight balances out the Gus fight.

The Hughes and Serra losses were avenged, including one of them twice. GSP does have one more loss than Boner but again, those were avenged.



Even if you give the ok to steroids, there's still a case for GSP having a stronger resume.

Yeah if you ignore the official results of fights and go off of feelings; this makes perfect sense.

 

[L0ki]

Yeah if you ignore the official results of fights and go off of feelings; this makes perfect sense.

No feelings involved.

Reyes 48-47.

Boner's record reads right. If you want to go about it officially or unofficially, he lost.

 

[nonoob]

PED use, busted time after time, cowarding out & scrapping an entire Card from ducking short notice Chael, then his Entire HW fiasco aren't ANY traits of a GOAT.

Nothing that Matt says negates the repeated eye pokes Duck Jones bragged and laughed about. Listen to Jon admit he does it on purpose and laughs about it...LEGACY of a scummbag.

Jon Jones on eye pokes during fights: ‘I realize that I do it’

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