Male equivalent of female black belt

[Your Noodly Master]

From your experience, what would be the male equivalent of a 30 year old, 130 pound female black belt. Don't cross compare "competitive" people with "hobbyists" since those arguments take off on other tangents.

If you are going to whine about this post I'm not going to acknowledge your comments.

 

[RJ Green]

a 30-year-old, 130 lb dude black belt. seriously.

Beatriz would fuck you up bro.

 

[INTERL0PER]

a 30-year-old, 130 lb dude black belt. seriously.

Beatriz would fuck you up bro.

Basically this.

Maybe take some pounds off to adjust for strength, but unless you're also a higher belt, it's gonna end in similar results regardless of gender.

 

[mattemate]

What's the question even mean?

 

[Adjaar]

I think I understand the question. I have a 4 stripe purple belt in my gym that I've known since she was a blue belt. She possesses technical knowledge way more vast than mine, however, if I was to go gorilla mode on her with the attempt to destroy, I believe she could not keep up. I'm a blue belt now, but this truth extended into my later white belt days.

What Noodly master is experiencing (I think) is females who are generally a notch lower than their male counterparts in terms of abilities. It's very common and it's as simple as rolling to the death with one belt and being more technical to another. This doesnt just apply to women, some guys lack that warrior spirit or strength and are a notch below guys of equal skill.

Back to the matter at hand, female blackbelts. I've never met one, but I understand the notion that a 130lb female blackbelt is the equivalent to a 130lb male blackbelt. I've met one non blackbelt woman (another purple), and she wins many local tournaments and has gone to worlds. Whenever I roll with her, there is not a difference of rolling with a man or her. I give it my all and she crushes me every single time.

I get why the question exists, and I dont want to comment on female blackbelts because I dont know any in real life, but I have a feeling my observations with my training partners would translate to blackbelt

 

[Dirty Holt]

From your experience, what would be the male equivalent of a 30 year old, 130 pound female black belt.

A 15 year old wrestler with a year of BJJ. I had 2 teammates - 1 a female black belt who competed at 125lbs, and a 15 year old wrestler who wrestled at 113 that I got into BJJ and coached him for about 10 months in BJJ. The 15 year old usually had to take it easy on her and wouldnt open up full blast.

I did have another teammate who was a 25 year old black belt who competed at 155 in MMA, walked around at about 175lbs and was tough as hell. She could routinely beat pretty much any blue belt under 175lbs.

 

[freakroor]

From your experience, what would be the male equivalent of a 30 year old, 130 pound female black belt.

a 125lb, 50yr old male blackbelt. would probably be a good match.

 

[mattemate]

OK I get it.
Same as the difference between non trained man and woman of the same weight.
The man will be stronger, faster, more explosive.
Our muscles are different. Men have denser muscles with more, smaller fibers, greatly increasing muscular surface area, which makes men stronger.

It's pretty basic.

Relevant:

 

[RemyR]

I just don’t understand threads like these.

Sex aside, it’s going to vary greatly depending on the individual. I’ve had higher belt females I could try all new things on and I’ve lower belt females that I actually had to follow a game plan to open them up.

Kind of like guys.

 

[SandisLL]

If in standup phase, this far more depends from attack& technique used than from belt level.

Okey, when I was teen, for example, I not rarerly was able to smash on ground larger guys, even didn't had possibility to submit them.
With beating too ; if someone get stuff like counter strike, KOs were far easier to handle out.

In general stuff like ; using revolving door princips, counter striking in attack moment works well against heavier persons even they are too strong to submit them.
BTW the heavier they are and the worse is their ukemi, the better is effect.
To grab them properly also if far easier if this person grabbed chloting than if he just beat or waives hands. Like in another world.

Sometimes it is easy to deal with person if he even grabbed arms, if he has low skills in grappling; reconfigure grip and wow, wonders happens.

 

[yetanother]

Watching Tayane Porifo she is ~280lbs (on roids) train with guys she would easily beat both ultra heavy weight black belts at my gym.

 

[SandisLL]

WoW, when I see largest Sumo guys, I always think, what belts are necessary to have to be able to deal with them?
They are even 375 - 425 - 440 lbs....

 

[sb413197]

Too much range in "black belt" to make that a meaningful question. There is no set skill level for different belt levels so the question is impossible to answer.

 

[SandisLL]

Skill set levels?
At least many Karate federations/ associations had defined Grading requirements for each Kyu level and Dan ranks and they are public.
As far as I know, this is practiced also for gradings in Judo.

Kicboxing, if they offer gradings for belts, I never saw grading requirements tables without physical tests requirements too, not only technical requirements + if one didn't had fights, then additional requirements are applied too.
BTW in europe not rarerly guys don't wish these belts in KB despite have a lot of succesfull bouts under belt.
Of course I can't know all world, this is just that I know.

 

[SAMURAI SPIRIT]

Back to the matter at hand, female blackbelts. I've never met one, but I understand the notion that a 130lb female blackbelt is the equivalent to a 130lb male blackbelt. I've met one non blackbelt woman (another purple), and she wins many local tournaments and has gone to worlds. Whenever I roll with her, there is not a difference of rolling with a man or her. I give it my all and she crushes me every single time.

What is the size / weight difference between you guys?

 

[miscend]

Gabi Garcia could steamroll the average heavyweight BB.

 

[RemyR]

Gabi Garcia could steamroll the average heavyweight BB.

I’d be legit worried as a 190 lb dude if I looked across the mat and saw I was facing her in a comp.

 

[yetanother]

I’d be legit worried as a 190 lb dude if I looked across the mat and saw I was facing her in a comp.

It would be interesting to roll against Gabi, she has little skill and is clumsy but heavy and strong.

 

[dimmyfinster]

a 125lb, 50yr old male blackbelt. would probably be a good match.

Something like this.

People who are pretending not to understand the question or talk about how there's too much variation are not being honest with themselves.


The question is basically asking for the effect of women's vs men strength. It's not asking what you happens when you have an enormous world class female athlete (Gabi or tayane) vs a male weekend warrior.

 

[mattemate]

Watching Tayane Porifo she is ~280lbs (on roids) train with guys she would easily beat both ultra heavy weight black belts at my gym.

What's the weight of the guys you're talking about? You have to compare her to someone like Orlando Sanchez. Obviously he'd maul her.

WoW, when I see largest Sumo guys, I always think, what belts are necessary to have to be able to deal with them?
They are even 375 - 425 - 440 lbs....

when I used to live in Japan there was a restaurant/bar that I would go to most nights on my walk home from work. there was a sumo tournament going on in town and there were some sumo wrestlers hanging out there one time. Anyway one of them I armwrestled just to see. He was about 325 pounds I think. I'm about 200. I couldn't budge his arm and he didn't even bother putting my arm down. I felt like a kid trying to arm wrestle my dad.

Gabi Garcia could steamroll the average heavyweight BB.

A female black belt I know got tapped by her in like 30 seconds. Paper cutter from side. This girl probably weighs 130-140.

Watching Gabi roll with Marcelo is classic footage.

It would be interesting to roll against Gabi, she has little skill and is clumsy but heavy and strong.

I think she has plenty of knowledge, just think about the amount of mat time she has. But she lacks movement due to her stature. I think a smaller but more athletic girl could beat her. An Olympic track athlete or something, like a female shot putter or weight lifter. Or a big wrestler. I think gymnasts are too small for sure but damn those girls are athletes.