Lebron better than Bird? (i.e. rate Lebron's current legacy, v4)

[ThinkGreen]

Lebron would be just as good if not better if he played earlier... dude is a physical specimen. Think about if he grew up under those rules. He would be a much more physical player himself, and very tough to deal with.

 

[Breakitdown]

Skill wise, he isn't top 200 all time. He isn't top 20 in today's NBA, skill wise.

Legacy wise (this is where the friendly / rigged / * wins come into play) he is not a top 20 SF all time, YET. He still has room to move up.

 

[5H3RD0G]

Give him time he is still young mentally and you can't judge someone at the beginning of the journey. You have to judge the whole career. Let's see if he has the mental toughness to prevail.

 

[Loc13]

Give me a break. Lebron James is the Michael Jordan of basketball - this is a well known fact.

 

[Breakitdown]

Yea let's hold judgement till his career has run its course. Will he break the top 20 SFs all time? Remains to be seen. I, like most other experts, am betting against it, but anything can happen.

 

[jcandoitbig]

Yea let's hold judgement till his career has run its course. Will he break the top 20 SFs all time? Remains to be seen. I, like most other experts, am betting against it, but anything can happen.

haha, you HAVE to be trolling. please tell me you're trolling. especially based on your sig and info

 

[jcandoitbig]

Give him time he is still young mentally and you can't judge someone at the beginning of the journey. You have to judge the whole career. Let's see if he has the mental toughness to prevail.

still young mentally? the guy is the most scrutinized athlete of all time, since he was 12 years old. he goes through more shit in a day than you have your entire lifetime. o and btw, he's already prevailed....twice

 

[cincymma79]

Lebron not top 20sf?

He's not number 1 but he makes top 5-10. If we're just judging skillset I guess I could agree with him being lower but he compensates fine with his other abilities just like bird compensated for his speed with his abilities.

 

[iwhoopedbatman]

Lol at taking Brokencan seriously.

 

[Chillez]

i actually find it kinda hard to believe that someone could watch jordan play and then watch kobe play and think that kobe was better. kobe is one of the best...but jordan is the best.

Great post. I agree. MJ is the much greater player hands down.

 

[TotallyHacking]

Skill wise, he isn't top 200 all time. He isn't top 20 in today's NBA, skill wise.

Legacy wise (this is where the friendly / rigged / * wins come into play) he is not a top 20 SF all time, YET. He still has room to move up.

You're a joke.

 

[Andersons Foot]

They just discussed this on espn.

This is crazy. He passed bird on All time scoring but bird was injured for the last few seasons of play. Played 6 games one season, 60 another , and 40 is his last. Imagine if bird had played 20 seasons like mj and some others. Are people forgetting how good the greats were? My god the guy averaged 10 rebounds per game as a sf. Other than that their stats are very close. Blocks, steals, assists, etc... all very close.

LeBron is very good but he's not even the best player in his position today and the game isn't as physical (or fun for that matter) and the teams aren't as good.

 

[Madmick]

They just discussed this on espn.

This is crazy. He passed bird on All time scoring but bird was injured for the last few seasons of play. Played 6 games one season, 60 another , and 40 is his last. Imagine if bird had played 20 seasons like mj and some others. Are people forgetting how good the greats were? My god the guy averaged 10 rebounds per game as a sf. Other than that their stats are very close. Blocks, steals, assists, etc... all very close.

LeBron is very good but he's not even the best player in his position today and the game isn't as physical (or fun for that matter) and the teams aren't as good.

Do you follow basketball? Did a friend tell you that Durant was going to win the MVP this year, and you accepted that fact prime facie as evidence that Durant is now better? One thing you'll notice about the all-time greats like Bird is that they don't shrink in the playoffs. That's why Kobetards seize on Lebron's postseason missteps with the tenacity of a rabid pack of wolves (while ignoring his overall excellence). But yeah, those 4th quarter meltdowns were real, and relevant, to judging his legacy, so you noticed Lebron made a concerted effort to rectify his 2011 performance the past two postseasons, and also this one so far. Enough rhetoric. Let's investigate today's postseason:

DURANT, 2014 Postseason
54.3% TS :redface:
29.9 points (#2 in NBA; #2 at SF)
9.6 rebounds (#9 in NBA; #2 at SF)
3.4 assists
0.9 steals
1.6 blks (#12 in NBA; #2 at SF)
4.0 turnovers :redface:
.152 Win Shares per 48min :redface:
+7.9 pts on/off court per 48min
20.9 PER (#23 in NBA; #5 at SF)
+6 ORtg/DRtg discrepancy
Team Record: 4-3 (57.1%)

LEBRON, 2014 Postseason
67.1% TS (#1 in NBA)
30.0 points (#1 in NBA)
8.0 rebounds (tied, #23 in NBA; tied, #5 at SF)
6.0 assists (#7 in NBA; #1 at SF)
2.25 steals (tied, #3 in NBA; tied, #1 at SF)
0.3 blocks
2.8 turnovers
.347 Win Shares per 48min (#1 in NBA)
+11.7 pts on/off court per 48min
32.8 PER (#1 in NBA)
+30 ORtg/DRtg discrepancy (#1 in NBA)
Team Record: 4-0 (100.0%)


Certainly Durant faced a much more difficult first round opponent, especially in terms of that opponent's defense, but this has been a trend throughout his career. It doesn't look better if you look back. Palpatine has been the most vocal watchdog on the board highlighting this trend as a criticism of Durant. Also, Lebron may be in the weaker conference, but he also doesn't have an ESPNRank# Top 5 teammate; hell, he arguably doesn't have a Top 15 teammate, and if he does, it's Bosh, not Wade.

It's utterly laughable to assert than anyone in the NBA is better than Lebron right now.

 

[R-DAWG]

I agree with the mad man.

Lebron's greatness is obvious...unless you are a complete moran.

 

[Chillez]

Lebron will surpass Bird by end of his career if not sooner. I hate to say this, but barring any major injury Lebron will end up top 5 all-time. Yuck, I think I just throw up a little saying that. You can't deny Lebron greatness unless you're a hater. Point blank....

 

[ChillyPalmer]

Does Bird have his own app?

No?

Lelbron is better.

 

[snake_vato]

Faust's homerism knows no bounds. I just can't believe his shit app took off, it's even on national commercials and sponsored by the NBA.

 

[King of Fists]

Considering Michael Jordan is widely regarded as "the LeBron James of the 90s," I'd say Bird has a ways to go before he catches up to Lebron. It's possible if Bird can raise his overall numbers; I just don't see it happening personally

 

[The Day Walker**]

Considering Michael Jordan is widely regarded as "the LeBron James of the 90s," I'd say Bird has a ways to go before he catches up to Lebron. It's possible if Bird can raise his overall numbers; I just don't see it happening personally

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[Chillez]

Lebron going end up top 3-5 all-time before he finishes his career. The haters will have to deal with it.