Kimura , Americana - Difference?

[Kellogg's]

Can someone explain the difference between a kimura and an americana?

 

[akdms]

The direction the arm is pointed?

 

[nothinbutMHS]

The direction the arm is pointed?

can't be it

 

[lechien]

[edit] Figure Four Arm-lock/Americana (Ude-garami)
The figure four arm-lock (also known in the USA as the americana or americano) is a term used in Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to specify the lateral keylock known in judo as ude-garami (arm entanglement). This lock is generally applied only from the mount or side control. The opponent's arm is pinned to the ground so that it is bent at the elbow, with the opponent's palm upwards. The wrist is grabbed with the opposite hand, and the arm on the same side is put under the opponents arm, gripping the attacker's wrist. This results in the necessary figure-four hold. While keeping the opponent's hand pinned to the ground, the attacker begins sliding his or her pinned arm down and parallel to his or her thigh while cranking the elbow upwards. This is referred to as 'painting'. The opponent will feel pressure on their elbow and/or shoulder. From some positions, such as kesa-gatame, it is possible to apply this technique with a leg instead of using two arms.

The technique is one of the official 29 grappling techniques of Kodokan Judo. It is one of the nine joint techniques of the Kansetsu-waza list, one of the three grappling lists in Judo's Katame-waza[2] enumerating 29 grappling techniques.[3] All of Judo's competition legal joint techniques are arm locks.

[edit] Kimura (Gyaku ude-garami)

The kimura lock (Reverse Ude Garami), applied on H

 

[YeahBee]

can't be it

can to

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

removed

 

[Bathwater]

Kimura:

Americana:

Wall E:

 

[Bathwater]

Gah! Damn you Talkshow!

 

[TalkShowOnMute]

Gah! Damn you Talkshow!

I removed mine because your pictures are better.

 

[MaiaBJJ]

Americana (or Keylock) = arm pointing above head
Kimura = arm pointing towards feet

Edit: I'll add that this is at the time you set it up. You finish a kimura by sliding their arm up their own back and finish an Americana by pinning their hand to the ground and raising their elbow so that it's pointing up.

 

[YeahBee]

Kimura

Americana

 

[Bathwater]

I removed mine because your pictures are better.

Lol thanks bro. No thread is complete without Wall E.

 

[akdms]

Kimura

Americana

Nice. :icon_chee

 

[Mike Wilson Jr.]

LMFAO@ Wall-E

 

[An end for]

I always figured that american grapplers could say a pun about going to "serve a slice of americana" to an opponent, and I always envied you guys about it.

 

[nothinbutMHS]

?

 

[An end for]

?

I must be retarded, because this is one of the first things that popped up in my head when learning the americana.

 

[nothinbutMHS]

does that mean i'm retarded, too?

 

[An end for]

does that mean i'm retarded, too?

No, no, it's just that it was a weird thing for me to think of. Maybe it was because of the brace on the little girl's leg. It freaked me out as a child because I had no idea of what was up with it.

 

[nothinbutMHS]

phew. i didn't wanna find out this way...