Kimura/Americana confusion

[triangleblonde]

Feel dumb for asking, but my coach says that the kimura is when the arm is locked and is up by the head and americana is when it's locked and down by the waist.

But when I look online, most pictures and videos of them show the opposite, that the kimura is the wrist locked and down by the persons waist and the americana it shows it locked up near their own head.

I find people saying both and I cannot tell what's accurate. Thanks,

 

[Novice]

America bent armlock is with the opponent or bad guy's arm bent up towards his head.

It is technically only supposed to be done from top postions like mount or side control.

Kimura is when the guys arm is turned down and it goes behind his back. Done from top or bottom positions.

 

[Col. Angus]

The internet is right, and your coach is mistaken.

 

[prowrestlingkng]

Just call it a figurefourtopamericanamurahammerlock

 

[goatfury]

Yeah, make up your own words.

I call dibs on "Hammerbar."

 

[averagejoex9000]

no your coach is right. the americana/keylock is when you lock it and bring the elbow inwards to the body/waist and crank.

 

[MMAwisdom**]

american = wrist north

kimura = wrist south

 

[bjjaz]

Well that was easy.

 

[Senshi]

Just call it a figurefourtopamericanamurahammerlockkeylock

fixed it for you:icon_lol:

 

[beeble]

your instructor is incorrect, the americana is when your opponents arm is bent upwards, with the inside of the elbow visible, it looks like he is getting ready to fist bump. the kimura is when your opponents arm is bent downwards towards his hip with the outside of the elbow visible

 

[Title Fight Productions]

Does your instructor train BJJ

 

[futang17]

call it an armbar or ude garami and call it a day...

 

[DivinusVox]

It really depends on what noun "it" is representing. If "it" is the elbow of the attacked arm, he is correct.

In the Americana, the wrist is pinned with it towards the head, then you bring the elbow down towards his hips/ribs and torque to the sky.

In the Kimura, the wrist is pinned towards the hips, with the elbow towards the head. In order to take the arm out of alignment with the body, the elbow is then often pushed towards the head and torqued.

If he meant the wrist, or your hands, he probably doesn't know BJJ.

That said, we had an experienced grappler who had the names of the d'arce and anaconda exactly opposite until I mentioned something a couple weeks ago.

 

[Peyton]

Like everyone here and the rest of the internet is saying, your coach has it backwards.