Judo stance and mma

[barmyone45**]

From what I know in most grappling arts you stand with the stronger leg forward i.e. right leg forward for a right hander in judo, greco, freestyle, etc.

Yet for striking you generally stand with the weaker leg forward.

It has been seen in mma that this can create a problem for wrestler's shooting off their weaker leg. Matt hughes is one example but personally I think this handicaps a number of other wrestler's depending on how ambidextrous a wrestler they are.

Could a similar problem arise for a judoka or as most of their takedowns come from the clinch is it not as important?

 

[futang17]

From what I know in most grappling arts you stand with the stronger leg forward i.e. right leg forward for a right hander in judo, greco, freestyle, etc.

Yet for striking you generally stand with the weaker leg forward.

It has been seen in mma that this can create a problem for wrestler's shooting off their weaker leg. Matt hughes is one example but personally I think this handicaps a number of other wrestler's depending on how ambidextrous a wrestler they are.

Could a similar problem arise for a judoka or as most of their takedowns come from the clinch is it not as important?

with striking, you stand with the strong side back because you're getting power from the torque/rotation of the hips. so it benefits you to stand with your right side trailing to be able to turn into the punch/kick.

as for judo, for one thing it feels natural and more importantly you use your right hand to grab the lapel for much stronger grip and control, stronger grip and control=greater kuzushi. you use the right hand more for pushing kuzushi and left hand to grab the sleeve for pulling kuzushi. i don't know if that made sense for you.

i have no experience in wrestling so i cannot offer any insights.

 

[Rod1]

No, its not a problem because the stance has no importance whatsoever at striking range, Judokas dont attack from outside unlike wrestlers. Once in the clinch you can make a stance change.

 

[Blue Streak]

Not all strikers keep their power hand to the rear. Some lead with their power hand in order to have a really strong jab or lead hook. I am no expert, but I believe that JKD advocates this.

Also, any good judoka should be able to do techniques both migi and hidari.

 

[lechien]

No, its not a problem because the stance has no importance whatsoever at striking range, Judokas dont attack from outside unlike wrestlers. Once in the clinch you can make a stance change.

In Judo, would a right handed person put his right leg forward like TS described?

 

[futang17]

Also, any good judoka should be able to do techniques both migi and hidari.

i'm not that good of a judoka...yet

 

[Doughbelly]

No, its not a problem because the stance has no importance whatsoever at striking range, Judokas dont attack from outside unlike wrestlers. Once in the clinch you can make a stance change.

I don't understand this. Stance has no importance whatsoever at striking range?

Not all strikers keep their power hand to the rear. Some lead with their power hand in order to have a really strong jab or lead hook. I am no expert, but I believe that JKD advocates this.

Also, any good judoka should be able to do techniques both migi and hidari.

Name five elite judoka (Olympics, World or any All-Japan comp) in the history of judo who were equally dangerous on both sides with their tokui waza. Three? One?

 

[Normot]

Also, any good judoka should be able to do techniques both migi and hidari.

I and everyone I have ever trained with must suck.

 

[Blue Streak]

Name five elite judoka (Olympics, World or any All-Japan comp) in the history of judo who were equally dangerous on both sides with their tokui waza. Three? One?

Of course I can't do that. Very few people are completely ambidextrous and nearly everyone has a preferred side. That doesn't mean that someone can't still be dangerous on their non-preferred side. Also, the advantage one gains from switching stances to the non-preferred side (e.g. confuse opponent, enable better striking) can often outweigh the disadvantages (e.g. less familiarity with doing techniques that way).

To use myself as an example, I am predominantly right handed, however I also use my left hand for a lot of things. In Judo randori/comps I can often gain an advantage by switching to a left handed grip and attacking hidari as many opponents don't seem to know how to deal with this. Hence, although I am not as good technically hidari as I am migi, I can still get techniques this way because my opponents are less used to dealing with hidari attacks as they are migi ones.

 

[Blue Streak]

I and everyone I have ever trained with must suck.

I'm not saying they have to be able to do every technique equally well both migi and hidari. Just that they should still be dangerous using their non-preferred side.

 

[M@sato]

In Judo, would a right handed person put his right leg forward like TS described?

I'm right handed, and that is how I was taught. Suits me fine as I stand south paw for striking anyway, so it felt very natural. I do switch stances on occasion, especially if I'm losing a grip fighting battle. It can throw your opponent off a bit as it often forces a readjustment. The only problem is that my left side sucks haha, I have only 2 sub-par moves from there...but it's a work in progress. :icon_chee

 

[Rod1]

I don't understand this. Stance has no importance whatsoever at striking range?

In judo stances are only good for grip fighting (doesnt happens in no gi) and throwing/defend throwing.

You are not going to grip fight or throw or defend a throw at striking range so you can use a left foot stance, plus personally i use both stances to grip fight, right is more conservative but the left allows me to prevent the leading hand from being controlled.

Whenever i wanted to hit something i always felt the left foot forward was natural, maybe from karate lessons as kid or maybe because i wanted to wind up for a punch, when i learned judo later on, i had no problem with the stances because you are not hitting anything.

When someone invited me to train some MMA, i didnt had troubles either, its just not natural and there is no advantage whatsoever at using a normal judo stance, as there is no grips whatsoever.

 

[YeahBee]

the classical judo stance is more upright and more squared up, and grip fighting has it resemblence to "boxing" you are protecting your sleeves/lapel in kind of a guard, only slightly below the chin as a proper boxer

many judokas developed hands for MMA rather quickly back when wrestlers didn't 8only chuck really)

I am a southpaw in boxing (I am lefthanded)

I still throw more like a regular righthander in judo, very comfortable going lefty thou to mix it up

when wrestling no gi I keep the same stance I don't hunch down so much and my right leg is still my most forward leg

MMA still the same left hand(my power hand) is free to dirty box in the clinch

 

[YeahBee]

I also use a ichehockey stick and golfclub on the same side/grip I gather that is not the case for most people
right handed hockey player =left hand closest to the blade/right hand on top
right handed golfer left hand on top/right hand below

 

[Uchi Mata]

From what I know in most grappling arts you stand with the stronger leg forward i.e. right leg forward for a right hander in judo, greco, freestyle, etc.

Yet for striking you generally stand with the weaker leg forward.

It has been seen in mma that this can create a problem for wrestler's shooting off their weaker leg. Matt hughes is one example but personally I think this handicaps a number of other wrestler's depending on how ambidextrous a wrestler they are.

Could a similar problem arise for a judoka or as most of their takedowns come from the clinch is it not as important?

I have actually had problems with this, where I'll switch my stance while thinking about grappling as opposed to striking. It's a bad habit, as it's slow and telegraphing as well. The question is, should I grapple with my left foot forward or strike with my right leading, ala JKD?

 

[TheeFaulted]

I have gone back to working my wrestling this year. I've been working strict folkstyle wrestling, but since Ive already graduated college, I've been trying to focus on techniques that will translate to grappling/MMA. Stance has been one of the things I have been working on. I've been doing some drills witha partner where I start left leg forward, then hand fight and move the right leg forward in a penetration step, change levels and shoot.

 

[Q mystic]

Name five elite judoka (Olympics, World or any All-Japan comp) in the history of judo who were equally dangerous on both sides with their tokui waza. Three? One?

5? 3? 1? Doughbelly, what the hell are you talking about?

Stats fella!

I know you are supposed to be very well trained judoka trained in japan but in your 2 or 3 thousand(or however many out here) posts you havent said one (1) [NOT F*****G 1] good thing about judo in any instance you have commented on it and you have talked shiot about it alot.

What gives?

"a good judoka should be good at both left and right" (?)

Your response is an emotional reflex of a non-judoka, if not anti-judoka, response. A purist? Not hanging on sherdog.

Stats mofo!

 

[Carrera26]

Unless I am specifically trying to bait an attack or am on the move, I very rarely have one foot forward in judo. A square, upright stance is the Judo Tachi Waza (standup) equivalent of an open guard. Very flexible on attack and very inadvisable to attack directly. I'd say that an awfully large % of the fight is trying to get angle on the other guy and "un-square" them.

 

[PowerSource]

From what I know in most grappling arts you stand with the stronger leg forward i.e. right leg forward for a right hander in judo, greco, freestyle, etc.

Yet for striking you generally stand with the weaker leg forward.

It has been seen in mma that this can create a problem for wrestler's shooting off their weaker leg. Matt hughes is one example but personally I think this handicaps a number of other wrestler's depending on how ambidextrous a wrestler they are.

Could a similar problem arise for a judoka or as most of their takedowns come from the clinch is it not as important?

Interesting question. My Judo and BJJ game start with my grip game, so when I am using gi, my stance is with my left leg forward. The reason been is that I bate the lapel, by leaning a little forward, however, I place my right hand over my lapel. My left elbow always by my left rib cage. I want my opponent to try to grab my lapel and stretch his right arm while trying, then I do my grip game where I intercept his wrist/hand, only then, I grab his lapel with my right hand before he brakes my left hand grip I shoot for something.
With no gi, my right leg is forward, there is no grip fighting at least not as much as with the gi. I assume a lower stance to be ready to sprawl, When engaged, usually my forearm will be blocking my opponent's chest while hooking my hand on the back of his neck or I'll have one of my arm under hooked I can throw on both sides.
This works for me most of the time, however, I adapt my game in accord to my opponent's stance, size, weigh, height, fighting skills, aggressiveness...

 

[thegreenblender]

It is a problem. I like my dominant side clinch/shot. Yet, I need my orthodox striking stance. Simply need it. How can I transition from orthodox striking to dominant side takedowns? But how?