Joe Louis punching technique

[giancana]

is somebody able to explain what exactly made louis punch so hard even at shorter distances?

what kind of were blackburn

 

[Strychnine]

Start it at around 1:00

I'm no expert...
But (to me) when he punches he's putting his hip into the punch. Like how pro golfers tee off, that hip is dragging the rest of the body forward with power. If he throws a left, his left knee bends and then the strike. The same with his right.. I'm NO expert, I just love watching martial arts.

 

[giancana]

Honestly I am always a bit confused about the punching technique does it use the mechanics of golf,baseball,tennis...

I'm no expert...
But (to me) when he punches he's putting his hip into the punch. Like how pro golfers tee off, that hip is dragging the rest of the body forward with power. If he throws a left, his left knee bends and then the strike. The same with his right.. I'm NO expert, I just love watching martial arts.

thank you for your input that relly interesting !

another big puncher is edwin valero , is somebody to see what he does fundamentally differently or the same as louis?or breakdown his mechanics?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLQlyuXgQ1w

 

[giancana]

But (to me) when he punches he's putting his hip into the punch. Like how pro golfers tee off, that hip is dragging the rest of the body forward with power. If he throws a left, his left knee bends and then the strike. The same with his right.. I'm NO expert, I just love watching martial arts.

so with other word he does not push the hip with the punch but he "pulls" the hip which consequently "pulls" the punch

talking about leverage where is the fulcrum?

 

[Sinister]

The hip typically is the fulcrom when punching...even though the hip moves. The biggest thing Blackburn did with Louis to maximize his already potent punching power was to bring his weight down. Bend his knees and center his weight between his feet...then add the shifting relative to what punch was being thrown.

There was a pretty big thread about Louis' technique around here.

 

[Steve08]

The hip typically is the fulcrom when punching...even though the hip moves. The biggest thing Blackburn did with Louis to maximize his already potent punching power was to bring his weight down. Bend his knees and center his weight between his feet...then add the shifting relative to what punch was being thrown.

I needed to read that.. thanks for the knowledge.

Am I right in assuming that a "heavy" stance like that wouldn't be very appropriate for kick-fighting, though?

Reason I ask is cause I love throwing hammers, but I'm an mma guy, so I'm thinking I should only really use a boxing stance when I step into range.

 

[Sinister]

It depends. There have been quite a few Thais who fought out of similar stances. But you do sacrifice some mobility for power.

 

[Steve08]

Interesting. I never thought I'd see a Thai stand like that in my life, to be honest. haha

I must say that I'm more concerned with low kicks than anything else, though. I get kicked in the leg after I drop into a jab somewhat frequently. It kinda sucks, but I think I can fix it by investing more effort into moving my feet after striking.

And, now that I think about it, an upright stance is pretty much begging for takedown attempts ala BJ Penn's ridiculous upright stance last weekend...

Hmm. Can't have your cake and eat it too I guess

 

[Steve08]

Oh yah, the quick response is much appreciated. Thanks!

 

[a guy]

Interesting. I never thought I'd see a Thai stand like that in my life, to be honest. haha

I must say that I'm more concerned with low kicks than anything else, though. I get kicked in the leg after I drop into a jab somewhat frequently. It kinda sucks, but I think I can fix it by investing more effort into moving my feet after striking.

And, now that I think about it, an upright stance is pretty much begging for takedown attempts ala BJ Penn's ridiculous upright stance last weekend...

Hmm. Can't have your cake and eat it too I guess

With a lower stance catching leg kicks is really easy. Rory MacDonald has the same problem of getting kicked after his jabs, but even ones that knock his leg out of position get countered with a hard straight right immediately after. Just reach down and scoop under their ankle then commit to the punch.

 

[a guy]

Also ts, this thread should be very interesting to you: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f11/joe-louis-blackburn-crouch-2152135/

 

[WillW]

There are a lot of different techniques and ideas on how to generate power for punches.

As far as Louis, think bringing the knees closer together, getting the hips involved in the punches. I think he was a centered puncher IIRC.

 

[giancana]

Also ts, this thread should be very interesting to you: http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/f11...rouch-2152135/

thanks man that helped a lot!

i think my posture is pretty messed up, external knee rotaton is very difficult for me , any ideas or exercises how i can correct it?
my chest is also rather down and shoulders forward,how can i fix it?

also tried to squat on a wall with my knees in line with my toes but thr range of motio is short and i fell my calves pretty stiff so i can not go down any furher

i also think that the way i am walking is wrong , can it be that every step is made with the hip, so that you "sit on your steps" like you "sit on your punches"?

feels really akward to me

 

[Sinister]

It's incredibly difficult to fix such things by yourself. You need a trainer, and if you have a trainer but one who doesn't know these things, a smart physical therapist.