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International [ISIS Repatriation] Yazidis plead with Canada not to repatriate ISIS members
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Heh, well then grab your popcorn, for the show has begun.
Hotel Guantanamo sounds like a good destination for the handful of U.S-born ISIS fighters and brides still stuck in Iraq and Syria.
Europe and Canada are SOL though, for they are too virtuous to have such a place to detain their thousands of returning jihadists, and we all know they have done jack shit in the last three years to strengthen their anti-terrorism law to address the inevitable.
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i actually support this.
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Ok then once they land in the Euro country, arrest them and charge them with war-crimes.
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The entire issue is that it’s very hard to prove, so they will probably get a light sentence of joining a terrorist org
how are you going to prove an unorganized group of ragtag terrorists committed very specific crimes?
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They were members of ISIS. ISIS is well known for committing mass war-crimes. Even if a specific member did not commit , he/she was aiding and abetting an organization where it was standard policy to commit war-crimes. War-crimes was not an aberration for ISIS, it was their essence.
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Well, Western court systems generally don’t just slap huge sentences on people for belonging to a group. For all we know they were scrubbing toilets in Syria like many ISIS fighters complained about. They wanted to rape 9 year olds and kill infidels and had to clean the toilets instead
Europe should have passed legislation to give these guys some serious time, they certainly had the time to prepare
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If someone here is a member of Al Qaeda, they will get arrested and charged for belonging to an outlawed group. Even if they didn't actually go and fight alongside AQ operatives. So why would ISIS members be any different.
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America =/= Europe
my understanding is that most of Europe isn’t going to hand out more than 10 years under current laws
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The E.U. also considers Al Qaeda a terrorist entity.
there is no proof.
every material that would lead to conviction is in the hands of turkeys government and they won't release such classified material to foreign countries.
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I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have thoroughly read the thread as I asks you this: By which court?
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Which is very scary. Just because ISIS was smashed does not mean these people aren't students of Radical Islam anymore. Expect to see them commit lone wolf terrorist attacks in the future in whatever country they are put in.
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With a successful conviction (which is a rarity in itself), the average prison time for returning European jihadists is about 5 years.
Beyond good and evil: Why Europe should bring ISIS foreign fighters home
Anthony Dworkin | 25th October, 2019
Anthony Dworkin | 25th October, 2019
In many European jurisdictions, the sentences available for those convicted of membership of terrorist organisations are limited to a few years’ imprisonment. The average sentence in Belgium for returned foreign fighters has been five years in jail. In July 2019, a German woman who had married an ISIS fighter was sentenced to five years’ imprisonment for joining a foreign terrorist organisation. The recent average sentence in the UK for membership of a terrorist group has been seven years. France stands out among EU member states for imposing relatively long sentences for the crime of “association of wrongdoing in relation to a terrorist enterprise” – for example, in 2018 the Paris Assize Court sentenced a defendant to 14 years in prison (out of a maximum sentence of 20 years) for fighting on behalf of the al-Nusra Front and ISIS. European officials worry that bringing ISIS members home for prosecution could in many cases result in their being freed on licence in three or four years’ time, leaving security services with the burden of monitoring their activity.
Longer sentences are available for ISIS members who can be prosecuted for additional crimes such as killing civilians, torture, or enslavement. But that requires clear evidence. There is a variety of sources of evidence to tie defendants to crimes of violence: testimony from victims, colleagues, or family members; social media evidence including photographs and messages boasting about the defendant’s activities or attempting to recruit others; battlefield evidence including ISIS membership forms, mobile phones, computer hard drives, and fingerprints on weapons; and evidence from intercepts and other intelligence sources. Not all of this evidence is admissible, however, in all EU member states. The UK, for example, prohibits the use of intercept evidence in court. Germany has restrictions on the use of social media posts as evidence.
Longer sentences are available for ISIS members who can be prosecuted for additional crimes such as killing civilians, torture, or enslavement. But that requires clear evidence. There is a variety of sources of evidence to tie defendants to crimes of violence: testimony from victims, colleagues, or family members; social media evidence including photographs and messages boasting about the defendant’s activities or attempting to recruit others; battlefield evidence including ISIS membership forms, mobile phones, computer hard drives, and fingerprints on weapons; and evidence from intercepts and other intelligence sources. Not all of this evidence is admissible, however, in all EU member states. The UK, for example, prohibits the use of intercept evidence in court. Germany has restrictions on the use of social media posts as evidence.
https://www.ecfr.eu/publications/su...urope_should_bring_isis_foreign_fighters_home
I recommend everyone to read the entire article above, for it covers probably everything on the subject matter.
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The courts of the specific E.U. countries or they can create special courts, like the US did for the Pan Am bombing.
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The various intel agencies will have plenty of info on the returning E.U. citizens.
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Anyone hear of the ISIS fighter stuck between borders?! LOL!!!
The Turks drove him to their border crossing and pushed him out. The Greeks won’t take him in. So he sits between borders as the Turks won’t take him back! Lol!
That’s him. And it’s been three days!!!! The Turks finally put a car out there so he isn’t stuck out in the elements
friggin hilarious story
The Turks drove him to their border crossing and pushed him out. The Greeks won’t take him in. So he sits between borders as the Turks won’t take him back! Lol!
That’s him. And it’s been three days!!!! The Turks finally put a car out there so he isn’t stuck out in the elements
friggin hilarious story
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Anyone hear of the ISIS fighter stuck between borders?! LOL!!!
The Turks drove him to their border crossing and pushed him out. The Greeks won’t take him in. So he sits between borders as the Turks won’t take him back! Lol!
That’s him. And it’s been three days!!!! The Turks finally put a car out there so he isn’t stuck out in the elements
friggin hilarious story
Muhammed knows he'd be heading to Guantanamo for life, so he requested the Turks to send him to Greece instead, which they did for some strange reasons.
American Islamic State suspect stranded on Turkey-Greece border after refusing to be returned to the U.S
12 November 2019
12 November 2019
A US citizen suspected of being an Islamic State militant is stranded on the border between Greece and Turkey, after Turkey expelled him.
The alleged militant was deported on Monday as Turkey launched a drive to repatriate captured jihadist fighters held in its prisons.
Greek police said they refused him entry when he tried to cross the border near the Greek town of Kastanies.
The man is reported to have spent the night stuck between the two borders.
He has been named by Turkey's Demiroren News Agency as Muhammed Darwis B and is said to be a US citizen of Jordanian descent.
A Turkish official told AFP news agency that he had refused to be returned to the US and instead asked to be sent to Greece.
On Tuesday he was still stuck on a strip of road between the two countries and witnesses said he had been trying to shout to reporters on the Turkish side.
The fate of foreign IS fighters has been a key question since the defeat of the group in territory it controlled in Syria and Iraq.
Following the final battle against IS at Baghuz in Syria in March, thousands of IS fighters and their dependants were interned in camps. Turkey, which has been arresting IS members for years, now has around 2,000 of them in its prisons.
Turkey, Iraq and the Kurdish authorities all want Europe and the West to hurry up and take back their citizens but so far governments have been extremely reluctant to do so, partly for fear that prosecutions may fail.
Turkey's current expulsions now threaten to force them into action.
Who else has Turkey deported?
Turkey's interior ministry said it had also deported a Dane alleged to be an IS member on Monday. Danish authorities said their citizen had been arrested on arrival in Copenhagen.
Germany said one of its citizens had also been expelled.
Turkey said more than 20 other European suspects, including 11 French citizens, two Irish nationals and several more Germans, are in the process of being repatriated to their countries of origin.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-europe-50390165
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