Is Sambo more effective than BJJ?

[ShotgunSamurai]

In a grappling match BJJ will probably beat Sambo since it's so much more advanced on the ground but in MMA it struggles since takedowns aren't as important to being successful in the sport.

If BJJ changes too much into takedowns it loses its specialization on the ground that is why cross training is so important.

 

[ShotgunSamurai]

The problem is their isn't very many takedown tournaments for adults and evenless for guys without experience.

 

[Einheri]

The problem is their isn't very many takedown tournaments for adults and evenless for guys without experience.

Low level Judo tournaments are held regularly.

 

[oldishnoobJKB]

Sambo is pretty MMA-ish I think, so I'd suppose an MMA-like style that covers the various modalities of fighting would, or at least should, do better in MMA than a style that specializes in one area.

 

[DoctorTaco]

Effective for what?

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Sambo is a throwing & grappling & top control focused form of MMA with a gi on, so it beats BJJ in MMA generally.

BJJ is the most specialised form of grappling so it beats sambo in grappling generally.

 

[Bos Docken]

Every time sambo is mentioned, I feel like the distinction should be made: There is Sambo and there is Combat Sambo.

Sambo is a sport unto itself. It is basically judo with leg locks allowed but chokes disallowed. Also the sports uniform is the jacket (kurtka), shorts, and wrestling shoes.

But most of the time when MMA fans talk about Sambo, they really mean Combat Sambo - which is sambo with striking allowed and all submissions allowed, including chokes. Competitors wear the sambo uniform with 4-ounce gloves, often with shin guards and head gear.

With that established, Combat Sambo is definitely more effective than BJJ for fighting and MMA because Combat Sambo is the sport that is closest to MMA.

When you watch Combat Sambo training and matches, it looks like people doing MMA wearing jackets. The only difference is the gripping game. Everything else is there. Punches, kicks, ground and pound.

 

[Espurgote]

Every time sambo is mentioned, I feel like the distinction should be made: There is Sambo and there is Combat Sambo.

Sambo is a sport unto itself. It is basically judo with leg locks allowed but chokes disallowed. Also the sports uniform is the jacket (kurtka), shorts, and wrestling shoes.

But most of the time when MMA fans talk about Sambo, they really mean Combat Sambo - which is sambo with striking allowed and all submissions allowed, including chokes. Competitors wear the sambo uniform with 4-ounce gloves, often with shin guards and head gear.

With that established, Combat Sambo is definitely more effective than BJJ for fighting and MMA because Combat Sambo is the sport that is closest to MMA.

When you watch Combat Sambo training and matches, it looks like people doing MMA wearing jackets. The only difference is the gripping game. Everything else is there. Punches, kicks, ground and pound.

This exactly, but Sambo schools are kinda rare (at least over here) so if you want to get something on the line look for Judo.

 

[Espurgote]

Also, you may be a specialist in any Martial art but when you are going to compete in MMA you need to "train mma". Imo Sambo looks so powerfull nowadays because of the Dagestanis.

 

[Bos Docken]

BJJ is the most specialised form of grappling so it beats sambo in grappling generally.

Exactly. modern BJJ is sport grappling. You walk into 90% of BJJ academies these days, what you will learn is sport grappling. Not fighting.

So with these discussions, there needs to be clarity. When you say "effective," it must be answered: Effective for what?

The video that the thread starter posted does not answer this plainly until around 5 minutes in when he starts talking about MMA.

So let's clear it up and just state it: Combat Sambo is more effective for fighting and MMA. BJJ is more effective for sport grappling.

 

[Patrick Jane]

This may come as a shock, but under Sambo rules, Sambo tends to be more effective and under BJJ rules, BJJ tends to be more effective.

 

[KBE6EKCTAH_CCP]

Every time sambo is mentioned, I feel like the distinction should be made: There is Sambo and there is Combat Sambo.

Sambo is a sport unto itself. It is basically judo with leg locks allowed but chokes disallowed. Also the sports uniform is the jacket (kurtka), shorts, and wrestling shoes.

But most of the time when MMA fans talk about Sambo, they really mean Combat Sambo - which is sambo with striking allowed and all submissions allowed, including chokes. Competitors wear the sambo uniform with 4-ounce gloves, often with shin guards and head gear.

With that established, Combat Sambo is definitely more effective than BJJ for fighting and MMA because Combat Sambo is the sport that is closest to MMA.

When you watch Combat Sambo training and matches, it looks like people doing MMA wearing jackets. The only difference is the gripping game. Everything else is there. Punches, kicks, ground and pound.

With the nuance that combat sambo is geared towards grappling. No points awarded for strikes.

 

[Matsukaze]

I trained Judo for five years and, in that five years, we never once did any ground work other than go to turtle. It was just about useless as a self defense art IMO

 

[Hotora86]

Every time sambo is mentioned, I feel like the distinction should be made: There is Sambo and there is Combat Sambo.

Sambo is a sport unto itself. It is basically judo with leg locks allowed but chokes disallowed. Also the sports uniform is the jacket (kurtka), shorts, and wrestling shoes.

But most of the time when MMA fans talk about Sambo, they really mean Combat Sambo - which is sambo with striking allowed and all submissions allowed, including chokes. Competitors wear the sambo uniform with 4-ounce gloves, often with shin guards and head gear.

With that established, Combat Sambo is definitely more effective than BJJ for fighting and MMA because Combat Sambo is the sport that is closest to MMA.

When you watch Combat Sambo training and matches, it looks like people doing MMA wearing jackets. The only difference is the gripping game. Everything else is there. Punches, kicks, ground and pound.

Combat Sambo is arguably closer to "real" fighting due to the jackets and shoes. I mean when's the last time you saw a streetfight with both guys only wearing undies?

 

[Hotora86]

I trained Judo for five years and, in that five years, we never once did any ground work other than go to turtle. It was just about useless as a self defense art IMO

My Judo gym which was led by a 75-year-old 9th Dan and former Olympic coach with gold-medal-winning disciples had 5 training sessions per week, 1 of which was 100% newaza with chokes and locks and even morote gari from time to time.
That's 20% of training time focused on groundwork. I loved every minute of it.

 

[Sticko]

Every time sambo is mentioned, I feel like the distinction should be made: There is Sambo and there is Combat Sambo.

Sambo is a sport unto itself. It is basically judo with leg locks allowed but chokes disallowed. Also the sports uniform is the jacket (kurtka), shorts, and wrestling shoes.

But most of the time when MMA fans talk about Sambo, they really mean Combat Sambo - which is sambo with striking allowed and all submissions allowed, including chokes. Competitors wear the sambo uniform with 4-ounce gloves, often with shin guards and head gear.

With that established, Combat Sambo is definitely more effective than BJJ for fighting and MMA because Combat Sambo is the sport that is closest to MMA.

When you watch Combat Sambo training and matches, it looks like people doing MMA wearing jackets. The only difference is the gripping game. Everything else is there. Punches, kicks, ground and pound.

You mean Sport Sambo and Combat Sambo. Just saying "sambo" is ambiguous.

 

[kintana]

Sambo is pretty MMA-ish I think, so I'd suppose an MMA-like style that covers the various modalities of fighting would, or at least should, do better in MMA than a style that specializes in one area.

Agree Sambo is MMA with a gi and some shorts. Correct me if I am wrong but I think you can win by Ippon in Sambo.

So Sambo probably crosses over quicker to MMA

 

[ahheadlock]

I trained Judo for five years and, in that five years, we never once did any ground work other than go to turtle. It was just about useless as a self defense art IMO

that doesn't sound great. Any good judo club should be spending at least some time on ground work, otherwise your players are going to be helpless in competition when it hits the ground. At my judo club we do some kind of newaza every session, although the chokes and joint locks don't get a lot of focus and it's more about turnovers, guard passes, escapes and osaekomi-waza.

 

[TheMaster]

Sambo is a throwing & grappling & top control focused form of MMA with a gi on, so it beats BJJ in MMA generally.

BJJ is the most specialised form of grappling so it beats sambo in grappling generally.

BJJ is the most specialized form of submission grappling.
Judo is the most specialized at throwing with the Gi
Greco at above the waist without Gi
Freestyle at above and below the waist without Gi
Aikido is the most specialized at wrist locks