Is MMA is a dying sport?

[Fisticuffa]

The current combat sports situation in the third largest economy on the planet & not so long ago the # 1 market for MMA

Looking forward to erudite discussion on this situation from UFC fans

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I like watching boxing and MMA. And Muay Thai, and jiu jitsu, and wrestling…

Idk. To me they are complementary sports. I think there’s room for both. Look at how big boxing is in Mexico and MMA is gaining popularity there as well. Most people I know enjoy both.

This is part of why I enjoy ONE shows so much. Some other people have different tastes. But I think most MMA fans should be able to appreciate other combat sports and vice versa.

 

[ferrisjso]

I think a better word to use would be stagnation. The rise of the sport is over and it's part of the mainstream.

 

[Fisticuffa]

I think a better word to use would be stagnation. The rise of the sport is over and it's part of the mainstream.

But MMA has clearly declined steeply (not stagnated) in its former # 1 (during Pride FC days) market & the third largest economy in the world while Inoue Naoya is taking Boxing to new heights along with Ioka, Nakatani, & Teraji

This must mean MMA is a dying sport with Boxing taking over as per sherdogger logic

 

[Leinster Rugby]

No.

 

[Fisticuffa]

No.

Yes

 

[theincognito]

Manlet. He's shorter than the top rope <45>.

 

[Fisticuffa]

Manlet. He's shorter than the top rope <45>.

Would still knock your head clean off though & what does it say about MMA that a manlet is a far bigger star than anything MMA puts out in its former # 1 market

 

[theincognito]

Would still knock your head clean off though & what does it say about MMA that a manlet is a far bigger star than anything MMA puts out in its former # 1 market

"A fighter would beat you in a fight" is not the insult you seem to think it is. Of course he would lol. I just got a chuckle out of him being shorter than the ropes.

 

[Fisticuffa]

"A fighter would beat you in a fight" is not the insult you seem to think it is. Of course he would lol. I just got a chuckle out of him being shorter than the ropes.

Same as MMA guys fighting at those weight classes

Why are you dodging the thread topic? Is MMA a dying sport because its nowhere near what it was in Japan while Boxing is managing to churn out household names

and look at this bum @RightToBareKnuckles liking all the cope posts here

 

[theincognito]

Same as MMA guys fighting at those weight classes

Why are you dodging the thread topic? Is MMA a dying sport because its nowhere near what it was in Japan while Boxing is managing to churn out household names

and look at this bum @RightToBareKnuckles liking all the cope posts here

Japan hasn't been relevant in MMA for over 15 years, so no.

I admittedly don't understand Japan.

I always got the impression that K-1 was the biggest combat sport there (besides sumo, I guess), but that seemed to mostly die out too. They lost most of the top international talent to Glory and haven't held a WGP since 2012.

Then they popped back up after a decade with their biggest fight ever last year... only for the guy that headlined that fight to leave kickboxing after, and for K-1 to go back into relative obscurity.

As for boxing - I remember there was a boxer setting all kinds of viewership records in Japan about a decade ago. (A quick search tells me it might have been "Koki Kameda" but I can't be sure). Then the boxing scene was nothing until Inoue started making noise a decade later.

I can only assume it's a very fickle society whose interests change often and sometimes come back around to things that used to be popular.

 

[Fisticuffa]

Japan hasn't been relevant in MMA for over 15 years, so no.

I admittedly don't understand Japan.

I always got the impression that K-1 was the biggest combat sport there (besides sumo, I guess), but that seemed to mostly die out too. They lost most of the top international talent to Glory and haven't held a WGP since 2012.

Then they popped back up after a decade with their biggest fight ever last year... only for the guy that headlined that fight to leave kickboxing after, and for K-1 to go back into relative obscurity.

As for boxing - I remember there was a boxer setting all kinds of viewership records in Japan about a decade ago. (A quick search tells me it might have been "Koki Kameda" but I can't be sure). Then the boxing scene was nothing until Inoue started making noise a decade later.

I can only assume it's a very fickle society whose interests change often and sometimes come back around to things that used to be popular.

Ya blame the society not your sport & its promoter centric model ("I am watching Top Rank on Saturday bro" said no Boxing fan ever)

You clearly don't know shit about Boxing in Japan (it has the 3rd most champs behind US & Mexico) & Inoue didn't come out of nowhere. Before Inoue, there was Ioka, & after Inoue there will be Junto Nakatani & likely Hayato Tsutsumi. Murata Ryoto would have been a bigger star than Inoue if he was more active & didn't fall short of being a world class talent with his loss to GGG

Boxing's growth & survival isn't tied to some promoter. If Inoue's current promoter Ohashi promotions died, that wouldn't put a dent on Japanese Boxing's ability to continually churn out world class talent as it has been doing since the days of Fighting Harada

So clearly, there is nothing wrong with Japanese society as it continually churns out world class talent in Boxing but MMA is largely irrelevant with Pride's collapse, there is something wrong with your sport though...

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

Same as MMA guys fighting at those weight classes

Why are you dodging the thread topic? Is MMA a dying sport because its nowhere near what it was in Japan while Boxing is managing to churn out household names

and look at this bum @RightToBareKnuckles liking all the cope posts here

hello troll

 

[theincognito]

Ya blame the society not your sport & its promoter centric model ("I am watching Top Rank on Saturday bro" said no Boxing fan ever)

You clearly don't know shit about Boxing in Japan (it has the 3rd most champs behind US & Mexico) & Inoue didn't come out of nowhere. Before Inoue, there was Ioka, & after Inoue there will be Junto Nakatani & likely Hayato Tsutsumi. Murata Ryoto would have been a bigger star than Inoue if he was more active & didn't fall short of being a world class talent with his loss to GGG

Boxing's growth & survival isn't tied to some promoter. If Inoue's current promoter Ohashi promotions died, that wouldn't put a dent on Japanese Boxing's ability to continually churn out world class talent as it has been doing since the days of Fighting Harada

So clearly, there is nothing wrong with Japanese society as it continually churns out world class talent in Boxing but MMA is largely irrelevant with Pride's collapse, there is something wrong with your sport though...

Ah, so you're an insecure boxing troll who's upset that showtime dropped it like a bad habit and are trying to find a silver lining. I wasn't paying enough attention to see the obvious signs and was actually taking you seriously <45>. Carry on.

 

[Fisticuffa]

Ah, so you're an insecure boxing troll who's upset that showtime dropped it like a bad habit and are trying to find a silver lining. I wasn't paying enough attention to see the obvious signs and was actually taking you seriously <45>. Carry on.

What does Showtime dropping sports broadcasting have to do with my thread

Is MMA a dying sport? Yes because its dead in its former # 1 market & the third largest economy on the planet. I am just going by MMA fans logic

You are the clown blaming Japanese culture for why your sport died out. Funny the same Japanese culture keeps churning out world class talent in Boxing

Continue coping

 

[Fisticuffa]

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[theincognito]

Is MMA a dying sport? Yes because its dead in its former # 1 market & the third largest economy on the planet.

MMA died out in Japan 15 years ago but grew everywhere else since then, so no it's not dying. In fact that's a pretty good trade off.

I am just going by MMA fans logic

What logic are you going by in particular? I'm not privy to whatever you mean. Just from what I can piece together by your attitude, it sounds like some MMA fans trolled you about boxing dying and you took it way too seriously? But your comeback is not good - you're comparing something that happened 15 years ago that we've already seen the results of to something that happened in the last week that we don't know what will lead to.

You are the clown blaming Japanese culture for why your sport died out. Funny the same Japanese culture keeps churning out world class talent in Boxing

You're confused. I never said Japan doesn't churn out world class boxers. I'm aware they have dominated the 105-115 manlet divisions forever.

You were trying to use Inoue's popularity to pretend the whole sport is huge there and I corrected you. It's not. Most top boxers in Japan fight in high school gym type environments. Every now and then one becomes a huge star and Inoue is the latest. The same way Tenshin became a huge star while the general K-1 scene was flat.

 

[Fisticuffa]

MMA died out in Japan 15 years ago but grew everywhere else since then, so no it's not dying. In fact that's a pretty good trade off.



What logic are you going by in particular? I'm not privy to whatever you mean. Just from what I can piece together by your attitude, it sounds like some MMA fans trolled you about boxing dying and you took it way too seriously? But your comeback is not good - you're comparing something that happened 15 years ago that we've already seen the results of to something that happened in the last week that we don't know what will lead to.



You're confused. I never said Japan doesn't churn out world class boxers. I'm aware they have dominated the 105-115 manlet divisions forever.

You were trying to use Inoue's popularity to pretend the whole sport is huge there and I corrected you. It's not. Most top boxers in Japan fight in high school gym type environments. Every now and then one becomes a huge star and Inoue is the latest. The same way Tenshin became a huge star while the general K-1 scene was flat.

So you admit it died out in Japan & yet somehow that has no impact on which sport is dying narrative you clowns peddle? I mean imagine admitting that the sport died just because a promoter collapsed in the third largest economy on the planet & then coping by blaming Japanese culture ("oh they are just into fads...") & pretending that it has no impact on the sport's future

You know very well what logic, the logic that has MMA fans here making a monthly thread here about how Boxing is dying & MMA is taking over to cope with their little man syndrome

lol Showtime sports collapse has f*ck all to do with my thread, that effected Bellator too (oh wait I forgot MMA = UFC). Boxing survived the days of Frankie Carbo & as I already explained to you our sport's survival isn't tied to some promoter or TV deal's survival. Hell PBC, Golden Boy, & Top Rank could all go out of business tomorrow & Boxing would endure

It sure is way more popular than MMA in Japan now (no one claimed Boxing is as Baseball level popular because of Inoue to begin with) & MMA guys must be fighting in parking lots there. If top Boxers fight in high schools gym type environments in Japan as you claimed, then what is the incentive for them to become Boxers which they have been doing since Harada's days? Unless of course, you are chatting absolute BS & have no clue what you are talking about where top Boxers in Japan fight

Nice joke of a sport you got there, no way to nurture talent except if some promotional company is doing well

 

[Fisticuffa]

Takeshi Uchiyama fighting Angel Granados fighting in Saitama Super Arena (same place Inoue had his 2 fights against Donaire)



Kenshiro Teraji vs Hiroto Kyoguchi in Saitama Super Arena


Junto Nakatani vs Francisco Rodriguez Jr in Saitama Super Arena


Murata vs GGG in Saitama Super Arena


Clear evidence of how top Boxers in Japan other than Inoue fight in high school gym type environments

The absolute cope MMA fans like @theincognito have to come up with...

 

[RightToBareKnuckles]

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