is kani basami/scissor leg takedown considered under Unified rules?

[Charlitos1988]

Does it awards great score like double legs?

And why this isn't seen as common?

 

[WinZip]

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[Necrocrawler]

Ok, so where's the gif or video?

 

[jawlock]

Yes it's perfectly legal in mma. Illegal TDs are generally those that result in piledriver-like situations (i.e. spiking the opponent on the head).

It's scored like all other TDs.

 

[Charlitos1988]

Ok, so where's the gif or video?

 

[Davemeddlehed]

Does it awards great score like double legs?

And why this isn't seen as common?

Without the gi, this technique is going to be incredibly difficult to pull off with any kind of frequency. About the only way you're going to catch anyone with it in MMA is is they rush in blind, or if you're already controlling the clinch.

 

[KreamPuff]

Are we talking about the takedown Ryo Chonan used against Anderson Silva?

 

[chunglii]

It's a takedown. So it'd be treated like a takedown in scoring.

why isn't it seen more often? Because it's fucking hard to hit in competition.

 

[WildShrimper]

Like Scorpion?

 

[JKG]

This gif is mandatory for this thread

 

[Malthian]

Kani basami isn't banned in mma, but I would guess that it's not used frequently for a couple of reasons.

1. It's hard to execute in a confined space. Essentially you need to hit it on an opponent near the middle of the ring. If you're near the walls, they just fall against the wall and you're vulnerable on the ground.

2. It's considered a "dirty" technique in Judo and BJJ because of the very high incidence of injury. It's considered so dangerous that it's banned in Judo competitions and most BJJ competitions since if the defender doesn't land properly or it's executed poorly it basically breaks their legs/knee with no opportunity to submit.

This is what happens when it goes wrong.



Here's a bit more info if you're interested.

http://www.grapplearts.com/Blog/2014/02/the-most-dangerous-throw-in-judo-bjj/

 

[Limbo Pete]

Cung Le had some fantastic scissor leg takedowns back in the day.

 

[IndyCovaHart]

Anderson worked a fight in pride where he lost to this.

 

[Xuh]

 

[Dart Feld]

 

[Malthian]

Anderson worked a fight in pride where he lost to this.

Forgot about that one...

 

[Just Creed]

Anderson worked a fight in pride where he lost to this.

not sure if troll bait but I do believe the fight was a work but not to Anderson's knowledge - Chonan knew of Anderson's leg injury and capitalised on it


then again this was a theory I read on sherdog a couple years back

 

[kingskot]

It's a pretty high risk move with a low success rate.

 

[Malthian]

not sure if troll bait but I do believe the fight was a work but not to Anderson's knowledge - Chonan knew of Anderson's leg injury and capitalised on it

then again this was a theory I read on sherdog a couple years back

I don't think any fighter in their right mind would allow a bani kasami to be executed as part of a "work". It's just WAY too dangerous as moves go, especially if the fighters are fatigued or slippery.

One wrong turn and you completely blow out the knee or snap the leg bones. Many dojo's won't even let you practice kani basami while rolling without very tight supervision and in slow motion, and certainly not in open randori/rolling with strangers.

 

[Richard Fannin]

2. It's considered a "dirty" technique in Judo and BJJ because of the very high incidence of injury. It's considered so dangerous that it's banned in Judo competitions and most BJJ competitions since if the defender doesn't land properly or it's executed poorly it basically breaks their legs/knee with no opportunity to submit.

This is what happens when it goes wrong.



Here's a bit more info if you're interested.

http://www.grapplearts.com/Blog/2014/02/the-most-dangerous-throw-in-judo-bjj/

This is why I hated practicing this particular move, either you went too hard and hurt your training partner, or you don't go hard enough and you hurt yourself falling like an idiot.