Is it worth to learn a high crotch?

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yetanother

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You'll probably get much better advice from others soon, I'm jut a white belt, but personally when I see something new and wonder about it I will commit to spamming it during rolling for a few weeks, then go home and analyze the common responses and defenses I am encountering, check out the workarounds and make as best a decision as I can as to whether or not I want to pursue developing the technique.

But I'm only a white belt so it may not be the best way to do things. Grain of salt and all that.
 
I'm no world beater or anything, but any tech done well will be safe from submission. You can get guillotined off a shitty double or kimuraed off a single too.

Nobody can really say that it's worth it or not. If a high-c is something you hit easily or comes naturally, keep at it.
 
I'm no expert but while the specific takedown you're showing in that video is a single leg, i'm pretty sure it's not a high crotch. Could be wrong though, cheers.
 
Eddieg said:
I'm no expert but while the specific takedown you're showing in that video is a single leg, i'm pretty sure it's not a high crotch. Could be wrong though, cheers.
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Jordan calls it a high crotch, lot of olympic level wrestlers (Cael Sanderson, Daniel Cormier) on youtube call it a high crotch too.
 
At your level you should get at least familiar with any tool you can. That way as you grow and train you will have more options to develop your go-to techniques.
 
Eddieg said:
I'm no expert but while the specific takedown you're showing in that video is a single leg, i'm pretty sure it's not a high crotch. Could be wrong though, cheers.
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No it's a high crotch. If the head is on the outside of the body it's a high crotch, if it's on the inside of the body (like in the chest) it's a single leg.
 
If you do the High C correctly the risk of a guillotine is not too high
 
jack36767 said:
If you do the High C correctly the risk of a guillotine is not too high
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Do you think it's a good move for a fresh beginner in wrestling to learn (a competitive purple belt in bjj)?

Provided I put in the drilling time/watch world class youtube instruction ;)/record my self and check I have the posture/details like in those video?
 
GKY said:
No it's a high crotch. If the head is on the outside of the body it's a high crotch, if it's on the inside of the body (like in the chest) it's a single leg.
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Bare in mind that ibjjf rules stops white belt putting their head on the outside while doing a single leg
 
yetanother said:
Do you think it's a good move for a fresh beginner in wrestling to learn (a competitive purple belt in bjj)?

Provided I put in the drilling time/watch world class youtube instruction ;)/record my self and check I have the posture/details like in those video?
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A high crotch, single leg, double leg, and front headlock, are like a hip bump sweep, scissor sweep, and armbar and triangle

You'll have things you focus on Or hit the most, but you should drill and play with all the basic and see what you like the best. The big thing to overcome will be the fact that you won't be as good on your feet at first and you'll struggle and be tempted to just go back to pulling guard

Just like when you were a white belt, you struggle at first and then get better
 
lechien said:
Bare in mind that ibjjf rules stops white belt putting their head on the outside while doing a single leg
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Is it because of the risk of neck injury if you take someone down onto your own neck (i.e the wrong way)? I vaguely recall something like that happening a few years ago, I guess that's the cause of this rule?

Also, what I've called and been taught as an outside single is apparently a high crotch - the more you know. What I thought a high crotch was is I guess just a finish from there.
 
jack36767 said:
A high crotch, single leg, double leg, and front headlock, are like a hip bump sweep, scissor sweep, and armbar and triangle
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Drilling an equivalent of scissor sweep is something I would like to avoid.
 
yetanother said:
Drilling an equivalent of scissor sweep is something I would like to avoid.
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My point was that just like a white belt learning bjj should learn and know how to hit those "basic" sweeps.. a white belt wrestler should learn a single, high crotch, double, and front headlock and then see which one fits them best and drill that one.

Yes. I do think learning a high crotch is worth your time.. in fact, John Smith who for various reasons (I don't always agree with) bjj guys hold his techniques above all others, did not hit a low single as much as people think when winning SIX world titles..he actually hit his hi-crotch much much more...and only hit his high crotch in the 92 Olympic finals

But if you think the high crotch wouldn't be worth learning because it's a "basic" technique like a scissor sweep..Idk how to help you
 
High c is a fine takedown, although I admit I don't use it in gi much. The concerns about guillotines are overblown. When does as Burroughs is instructing, the head is high and tight, making a guiillotine tough to do. Further, when you transition to the double off the high c, you aren't just chilling there. The finish is not terribly different from a barsager (imo) in that you are driving hard to finish across the body. As to your "should I be doing this" question: if you are looking to improve your game, learning and mastering techniques are, of course, important. I wouldn't tell you to use the high c in comps without practice, but when done right it's damn effective. I always loved Doug Schwab's high crotch work.
 
High crotch should be avoided IMO. You are way open to guillotines. Very open. In wrestling, its a basic technique and used by everyone. The problem is, in wrestling, you cant choke someone, and you get pinned by going to your back.

As opposed to a double, the high crotch is very difficult to lift across and clear the legs. In wrestling, you are usually taught to covert from a hi c to a double, or go to a crack down. Both of these scenarios are ideal for wrestling, but a serious disadvantage in BJJ. You are giving access to your neck, and even worse, giving the guys outside leg free access to trap your back, the only two things you need to finish a guillotine.
 
yetanother said:
Thanks will avoid sinking a lot of drilling time into something that will get me in trouble.
Is the knee pull sweep single a good choice? http://www.cliffkeenmedia.com/videos/techniques/bj-futrell-brent-metcalf-knee-pull-sweep-single/
I'm already drilling the sweep single and the knee pull sweep one would allow me to reuse movement and still attack when the leg is in the position for the high crotch.
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Yes, the knee pill single is a way to hit a single to both sides
 
Sweep single is best single (tree topping is besterest).
 
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