Is it me or are we seeing less ground and pound ?

[GOATRankings]

I stumble upon this youtube short



And i started wondering: why do fighters who have ground avantage do less ground and pound these days? Or am I just missing something ?

I think the last fighter I saw make good use or his ground game to ground and pound was Moicano against BSD.

Why does Islam almost never does it ? Is it because they are afraid to give out a superior position? Is it because you have to have a certain vicious vibe and come with bad intentions,.and some guys just are not like that?

I remember an interview where Khabib jokingly said when asked about religion, that it is not really halal to smash guys on the floor with your elbows, so maybe Islam is trying to avoid it? But it seems he never did and almost always looks for submissions.

When you look at some of the most dominant fighters, like Khabib, GSP, Fedor, they had great ground and pound.

Is this old school? Fighters just know how to defend it now?

What is your take?

 

[ExitLUPin]

It's becoming a lost art, especially from guard. Look at the techniques Tito used to use from that position, and it's far ahead of modern g&p meta of fighters today. I don't know if it's being neglected in training or fighters just spend time punching a heavy bag on the ground, but it's sad to see. There are a lot of intricacies with the timing, spacing, techniques, transitions, control, posture, etc. that most of the great g&p fighters had.

Tsarukyan has great g&p and you can tell actually spends proper time learning it with the dedication it requires. He's trained with Fedor, and Fedor uses to have seminars on g&p back in the day, that even guys like Jacare and Mousasi (two high level top players) signed up for:

 

[Sms_productions713]

miss that Joe riggs ground and pound! dude had that trick of faking looking back like he was going to look for a heel hook and just come down with bombs

 

[omawho402]

Fedor g&p legendary, Crop Cop low-key too.

 

[Spath]

It’s certainly a skill that some are better at than others. It can be trained just like any other aspects and some have a better knack at it.

People usually see Anderson Silva as a striker who had jiu jitsu in his back pocket. Somehow he also had one of the most lethal ground and pound abilities in the sport. When he smacked guys on the ground the strikes were powerful, of course, but also as precise as it gets. See the finish of Marquardt as a prime example. Plenty of others, too.

A part of it is the intention - some guys just want to put a beating on their opponents. Some guys take the technical, ”sport” approach. Leave little space and keep the advantageous position. Clearly less exciting, but you also get punched in the face less often.

 

[Bagatur]

You can hurt your hands if you try to pound. It's much safer to ground and sniff the crotch. You still get the win, crotch sniffing is a bonus

 

[Pierce 34]

They gotta use their hands for top control

 

[Oz.Pride]

Nowadays everybody wanna talk like they got something to say but nothing comes out when they move their lips just a bunch of gibberish and motherfuckers act like they forgot about Volk

 

[bjjwar]

Fighters nowadays just want to maintain position to win safely on points. Its a shame, brutal gnp is one of the most entertainment parts of a fight.

 

[AL-Tappo McSnappo]

I stumble upon this youtube short



And i started wondering: why do fighters who have ground avantage do less ground and pound these days? Or am I just missing something ?

I think the last fighter I saw make good use or his ground game to ground and pound was Moicano against BSD.

Why does Islam almost never does it ? Is it because they are afraid to give out a superior position? Is it because you have to have a certain vicious vibe and come with bad intentions,.and some guys just are not like that?

I remember an interview where Khabib jokingly said when asked about religion, that it is not really halal to smash guys on the floor with your elbows, so maybe Islam is trying to avoid it? But it seems he never did and almost always looks for submissions.

When you look at some of the most dominant fighters, like Khabib, GSP, Fedor, they had great ground and pound.

Is this old school? Fighters just know how to defend it now?

What is your take?

Arman is good at gnp, see what he done to Joel or Dan?
But Islam doesn't seem to like it, he was never good at it, Khamzat use to be good at it but he changed.

 

[HHJ]

Yeah Khabib had a brilliant use of the GNP. When he would grapevine the legs, then just suddenly stand up, and land brutal GNP on a defenseless opponent and then lock back up the grapevine before they could escape or retaliate.

Just constant harassment hahaha. That's one of the bigger differences between Khabib and Islam.

But Islam is great at positional dominance.

 

[GOATRankings]

It's becoming a lost art, especially from guard. Look at the techniques Tito used to use from that position, and it's far ahead of modern g&p meta of fighters today. I don't know if it's being neglected in training or fighters just spend time punching a heavy bag on the ground, but it's sad to see. There are a lot of intricacies with the timing, spacing, techniques, transitions, control, posture, etc. that most of the great g&p fighters had.

Tsarukyan has great g&p and you can tell actually spends proper time learning it with the dedication it requires. He's trained with Fedor, and Fedor uses to have seminars on g&p back in the day, that even guys like Jacare and Mousasi (two high level top players) signed up for:

Yeah I just love when there is such confidence from the fighter in the top position, most fighters now seems afraid to get caught in a triangle or something if they create just a little space

 

[GOATRankings]

Cain Velasquez was wild too... Using is head to push down, following with elbows

 

[MigitAs]

It's becoming a lost art, especially from guard. Look at the techniques Tito used to use from that position, and it's far ahead of modern g&p meta of fighters today. I don't know if it's being neglected in training or fighters just spend time punching a heavy bag on the ground, but it's sad to see. There are a lot of intricacies with the timing, spacing, techniques, transitions, control, posture, etc. that most of the great g&p fighters had.

Tsarukyan has great g&p and you can tell actually spends proper time learning it with the dedication it requires. He's trained with Fedor, and Fedor uses to have seminars on g&p back in the day, that even guys like Jacare and Mousasi (two high level top players) signed up for:

Fedors gnp was terrifying in its theory and execution

 

[Xuh]

They gotta use their hands for top control

I think this is the main reason - it used to be that people would play guard, look for subs/sweeps etc, but since it became clear you lose the round in the UFC if you do that, everyone trained on getting up instead and now lots of people are good at it (especially using the cage); so the top guy has to use their hands to try and pin them down all the time, rather than punch them.

 

[HHJ]

Fedors gnp was terrifying in its theory and execution

It's no wonder he broke his hands several times. He got maximum torque and power, he literally couldnt have thrown any harder,and people just aint meant to be doin it like that on a regular basis ahahahhaha

Even the punches he missed were terrifying.

 

[Dimbis]

I think it hurts the guy on the bottom.

 

[Skarsgard]

It all goes in cycles. We're swinging back into the sprawl and brawler era. Give it a few more years and the sport will answer that with GNP guys. Then the submission guys will circle back in to answer that.

 

[188912345]

I think it also has to do with guys being better at avoiding damage from the bottom.

 

[dildos]

There was once an art of ground and pound.

But that’s been lost over the years. And turned into an art of ground and pitter patter.