Movies Is film subjective or objective?

Any form of art or media that is 'classic' is classic, doesn't matter what an individuals opinion of it is
 
HUGHPHUG said:
Any form of art or media that is 'classic' is classic, doesn't matter what an individuals opinion of it is
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No,no,no,

It does not work that way..

Historiography does NOT work that way.
 
Jack Reacheround said:
It is obviously subjective. It isn’t exactly math.
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While your latter point is true, I don't think it proves the prior. When you're in school yeah it's true that it's going to be easier to get 99% in math than you are in English because the binary of right/wrong isn't there. But would you say English or History essays are entirely subjective? Like it's arguable that a graded F paper is likely to be on equal footing to one that's A+, and that graded F by a competent teacher?

I would suggest pragmatically there are also objectively good essay and bad essays even if whether something is an A or A+ tilts highly into subjective territory.
 
Depends on what aspect you are looking at. Analysis of the writing structure regarding plot holes, internal logic, themes, cliches, tropes are objective, along with technical aspects, but what is good or bad is more subjective.
 
Unknown Pleasures said:
While your latter point is true, I don't think it proves the prior. When you're in school yeah it's true that it's going to be easier to get 99% in math than you are in English because the binary of right/wrong isn't there. But would you say English or History essays are entirely subjective? Like it's arguable that a graded F paper is likely to be on equal footing to one that's A+, and that graded F by a competent teacher?

I would suggest pragmatically there are also objectively good essay and bad essays even if whether something is an A or A+ tilts highly into subjective territory.
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It’s subjective. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t elements of film, and other art, that are not all agreed upon by everyone as objective truths.

But any art is subjective.
 
Jack Reacheround said:
It’s subjective. That doesn’t mean that there aren’t elements of film, and other art, that are not all agreed upon by everyone as objective truths.

But any art is subjective.
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I'm reading your statement as a mix. Which I think is correct.
 
Aegon Spengler said:
Of course it's subjective but part of the art is making something so good that it feels objectively awesome.

Could you hate Terminator 2? Sure you could. But you don't, do you? And neither do I. We both love that movie. Why? I'm not you and you're not me.

Maybe because there's something objective in there?

Maybe because

The universe

has standards?
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The movie making universe used to...
 
HUGHPHUG said:
Any form of art or media that is 'classic' is classic, doesn't matter what an individuals opinion of it is
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syct23 said:
No,no,no,

It does not work that way..

Historiography does NOT work that way.
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HUGHPHUG said:
Historiography doesn't come into it
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I believe your disagreement stems from the fact that you are referencing distinct meanings of the word "classic".

@HUGHPHUG appears to be referencing the term as it would apply to "classic rock" radio stations where the informal definition of "classic" is any rock song that is 20+ years old, or belongs to a specific date range of rock (60's and 70's) that was played by radio stations that played this period of music when stations labeling themselves as purveyors of that invented subgenre first rose to prominence in the 80's and 90's. But there is no formally agreed upon definition of this term, so you can't even objectify it relative to the present.

Conversely, @syct23 appears to be invoking the usage of the term to describe a work of art that has achieved canonical status. This very much does depend on historiography, because while the canon can be generally objectified at any given time according to consensus, meaning the works that the largest group of people (or so-called experts) agree are "great" works make up the canon, this is only partially objective, because this isn't decided by rules of science or logic, so there is never complete agreement, and moreover, the body of works that are favored changes over time according to the changing tastes of the masses.

So either way, @syct23's opinion is more sound. Because there is no objective, universal definition of "classic". It changes depending on the context.
 
Madmick said:
I believe your disagreement stems from the fact that you are referencing distinct meanings of the word "classic".

@HUGHPHUG appears to be referencing the term as it would apply to "classic rock" radio stations where the informal definition of "classic" is any rock song that is 20+ years old, or belongs to a specific date range of rock (60's and 70's) that was played by radio stations that played this period of music when stations labeling themselves as purveyors of that invented subgenre first rose to prominence in the 80's and 90's. But there is no formally agreed upon definition of this term, so you can't even objectify it relative to the present.

Conversely, @syct23 appears to be invoking the usage of the term to describe a work of art that has achieved canonical status. This very much does depend on historiography, because while the canon can be generally objectified at any given time according to consensus, meaning the works that the largest group of people (or so-called experts) agree are "great" works make up the canon, this is only partially objective, because this isn't decided by rules of science or logic, so there is never complete agreement, and moreover, the body of works that are favored changes over time according to the changing tastes of the masses.

So either way, @syct23's opinion is more sound. Because there is no objective, universal definition of "classic". It changes depending on the context.
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Don't assume you know what I mean
 
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