Is Fedor legacy more of a myth?

[Takes Two To Tango]

Inspired by this thread.

Thread 'Daniel Cormier: "Fedor is a myth bigger than what he is, a tall tale."'

Feb 7, 2023

The greatest UFC shill of all time is shitting on Fedor right after he lost.

"I think that the myth of Fedor is bigger than what he is in MMA history. It's lore. It's the tall tale. I don't believe he's the greatest heavyweight of all time. That belongs to Stipe Miocic... The title defenses and the long reign at the top of the division puts him on top. But Fedor is in the top five."

If Jones didn't have problem with his personal life, no way he would've gotten a heavyweight title shot, he would be a title-less, wrestling-heavy failed experiment with aa decent hands who could do nothing...

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Was Fedor legacy built most on myth or built mostly on facts and reality?

 

[MetaIIica]

He lost multiple times to UFC guys. Hendo kod him, fabricio werdum submitted him, Ryan bader beat him multiple times, Antonio silva, Matt mittrione. He wouldn’t have been as dominant in the ufc for sure, it seems his success was built off of beating small bones japanese guys lol

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

He lost multiple times to UFC guys. Hendo kod him, fabricio werdum submitted him, Ryan bader beat him multiple times, Antonio silva, Matt mittrione. He wouldn’t have been as dominant in the ufc for sure, it seems his success was built off of beating small bones japanese guys lol

Losing to Hendo at that time is not that bad. The guy is ATG probably in my top 10. So it's not a bad loss. Werdum would've submitted anyone who fell for his trap even the great Fedor. Bigfoot was just too big for Fedor. Mitrione was fighting past his prime Fedor.

 

[loisestrad]

OMG, an "Is Fedor overrated?" thread? This must be the first ever!!!

 

[Pierce 34]

Let me do the honors

"Fedor fought japanese cans"
"Fedor started to lose when he cames to the states"
"Fedor lost to a MW"
"Fedor was undefeated for ten years"
"Fedor beat ex ufc champs
"Fedor was past his prime after 2008"
"How does Fedor be past his prime at age 31"

 

[Mob69]

Fedor was The Man at HW from 2003-2010. That is longer than Miocic, or anyone else, has managed. He became The Man and then stacked up 18 (!) wins and 1 NC.

His career scalps include - and this is just a sample - Big Nog (x2), Cro Cop, Coleman (x2), Arlovski, Sylvia, Herring, Sobral, and Schilt. His consistency was just staggering.

If a UFC HW had a streak like Fedor, or accumulated the scalps that he did, then the promotion would undoubtedly make the claim that he was the most accomplished of all time. The UFC has a vested interest in downplaying Fedor's achievements. Then there is the personal animosity from Dana due to the failed negotiations.

Fedor could have single-handedly defeated an alien invasion force and the UFC would downplay it.

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

OMG, an "Is Fedor overrated?" thread? This must be the first ever!!!

It's not necessarily a thread about him being overrated but if his legacy is built mostly on myth per se.

Which without a doubt Fedor had, he was mythological kinda fighter. The way he was built up to be especially during his massive win streak.

 

[volcom5]

He’s a great a fighter, one of the first fighters who put everything together and made it work, GOAT at HW I can agree, GOAT in all of MMA? I do not. His legacy was based on reality but now a good handful or the PrideFC Zealots has created and skewed a lot of his career/accomplishments and flat out create lies about Fedor, that’s he’s reach borderline fantasy than myth.

 

[Thesnake101]

As far as HW tall tales no one beats Cain. P4P most overrated guy in the history of the HW division.

Spoiler

As far as ATG are concerned of course. Duffee is probably the most overrated HW ever overall.

 

[Hotora86]

It's not necessarily a thread about him being overrated but if his legacy is built mostly on myth per se.

Which without a doubt Fedor had, he was mythological kinda fighter. The way he was built up to be especially during his massive win streak.

How does beating Nog (x2), Cro Cop, Coleman (x2), Arlovski, Sylvia, Herring, Sobral, and Schilt suddenly become "myth" instead of "GOAT resume"?

 

[MetaIIica]

Losing to Hendo at that time is not that bad. The guy is ATG probably in my top 10. So it's not a bad loss. Werdum would've submitted anyone who fell for his trap even the great Fedor. Bigfoot was just too big for Fedor. Mitrione was fighting past his prime Fedor.

So an excuse for every loss

 

[Takes Two To Tango]

So an excuse for every loss

No excuses, just an explanation of perhaps why he lost. Those losses we're fair and square. And there in his record books for a reason. I'm sure if you dissect every career of any fighter, especially the 4 GOATs. You can give valid reasons why they lost as well. And call it excuses.

 

[Chayanne]

In the USA, they won't recognize Fedor as the GOAT, and that's understandable; he's not American. Prime time, all the fighters like Jones, Ngannu, and Velasquez were the only GOAT in his prime.

 

[cmw43]

He lost multiple times to UFC guys. Hendo kod him, fabricio werdum submitted him, Ryan bader beat him multiple times, Antonio silva, Matt mittrione. He wouldn’t have been as dominant in the ufc for sure, it seems his success was built off of beating small bones japanese guys lol

Turns out all the GOATs were just cans, look at Anderson Silva losing to an influencer like Jake Paul or getting KOd inside two minutes by Uriah Hall.

Jose Aldo losing to nobody's like Batista and Zahabi.

If you stick around long enough you find out everyone was a can all along.

 

[MetaIIica]

Turns out all the GOATs were just cans, look at Anderson Silva losing to an influencer like Jake Paul or getting KOd inside two minutes by Uriah Hall.

Jose Aldo losing to nobody's like Batista and Zahabi.

If you stick around long enough you find out everyone was a can all along.

They did good in the UFC in their primes. That’s a false equivalence because you’re talking about legends 10 years after their prime ended…fedor never even made it to the UFC he lost to guys who became UFC champs.

 

[Ozze]

It's based on facts. He was the best HW for almost a decade, that's when the mith was stablished. Not in the later part of his career.

It's the same with Anderson Silva. Or was he never that good because he lost almost everyone of his last fights?

 

[Mike]

I'll just paste what I just said in that thread and expand a little bit since its the same thing:

There's really only two options with Fedor but people want to be sneaky and add a third hater option.

Option 1: Every single HW that fought for the entire time Fedor was in his prime, about a decade, was a garbage unskilled brawler and no wins from that era have value. HW wins don't start to matter until sometime after the Strikeforce buyout.

Option 2: HW wins during Fedor's prime matter. In that case Fedor is the undisputable #1 of his era, and Nog is the undisputable #2 of that era.


Hidden 3rd Option for Morons: HW wins from the previous era matter for propping up the fighters at HW they like. But when it comes to Fedor he simultaneously gets no credit for being undefeated for a decade with wins over most of the division, and every loss he has is more significant than other fighters losses. Especially his past prime losses since nobody starts losing in their early to mid 30s. Even though most fighters see a dramatic decline in performance in their early to mid 30's.

Fedor has some cans on his record, same as everyone from that era but especially Pride. Because they often had active schedules fighting multiple times per year. So it's cans in between good fighters of that era, not instead of. Fedor had a prime of about a decade. That is NOT a short prime, and is not unusual. Declining in your 30's isn't unusual across all of athletics, and isn't unusual in combat sports specifically. The existence of old guys fighting past their natural primes doesn't magically make everyone in their prime until 40. We're now seeing many of these guys are going to fight into their 50's. You think those guys are still in their primes too or are you intelligent?

 

[Trabaho]

Nothing mythical about him, see his fights. It´s a question if him being the GOAT is a myth. I think yes. But than not some big myth. I just think he isn´t the GOAT. Due to size imo. Really small HW. But he is easily a top 10 GOAT HW. Or top 5. I mean a lot of people will have him top 5 goats of any weight. I just don´t believe he was big enough for the next generation of HWs. I think in modern MMA he should fought at LHW. No he isn´t a myth, he is one of the best most talented fighters ever. The whole myth thing is about if he is better than any other fighter ever, not if he was a legit elite champion.

 

[Mike]

It's not necessarily a thread about him being overrated but if his legacy is built mostly on myth per se.

Which without a doubt Fedor had, he was mythological kinda fighter. The way he was built up to be especially during his massive win streak.

Only the people that weren't watching then or were ufc only shills failed to see how amazing it was, is the thing. Everyone else immediately grasped that a guy being undefeated at hw beating all the big names every which way possible was incredible. Not real. Like a Rocky movie or something. When I started watching in 2007 my buddy at the time popped in a couple of his pride dvds and showed me his highlights and I was hooked immediately. Wins via sub, ko, tko, decision, all while almost never looking rattled and reversing bad situations almost immediately.

You have to go out of your way to nitpick and find ways to make it look anything less than incredible. And people have had like 20 years to try to figure out how to do it and it's still not really possible unless you decide to downplay the accomplishments of every other hw of the era by proxy.

 

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