Is Fedor Emelianenko a better or worse than BJJ Black Belt?

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I am not talking about black belt who is a regular joe, put in 10 years and got a black belt, like recently some UFC matchmaker dude got his black belt, but a black belt who competes nationally/internationally.

I once created a thread a while ago about Fedor training under BJJ Rickson Black belt, and questioned whether Fedor could receive Black belt under Rickson lineage, and he is training at times under some Rickson Gracie Blackbelt in Holland, but some guy kept asking for the source, and it got wastelanded/deleted due to lack of a source by the mod, but I digress.

If you are high level BJJ player, or a fan of BJJ, or a practioner, do you think Fedor is a BJJ black belt level?

I once had a chance to ask this to a high level bjj black belt, and It's been years since, so I can't recall his exact response, but I think he mentioned something along the line of how he has never submitted BJJ black belt, while complimenting Fedor on his fighting ability/maybe mindset too can't remember, details of conversation which I can't recall exactly....

I always felt like Fedor was very hard to submit, but his guard seemed like non existent, everyone passes his guard pretty much, but he's pretty explosive, and he does have submissive threat....I am talking about his purely ground skills, of course he's a very very high level Judoka/ and Sambo player as well...* I think he's GOAT of course btw...but he doesn't seem to care much about guard if at all..

IS Fedor on the level of BJJ black belt who competes on national/international level? What do you think and why?
 
He is of course high level grappler, but he’s no where near among the elite subgrapplers of these days...
 
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He has a black belt and is a grandmaster in judo, which is basically BJJ.
 
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He has a black belt and is a grandmaster in judo, which is basically BJJ.

According to Ronda's mom, he's 4th degree black belt, and international competitor in his prime, but I don't know, you could be brown belt in BJJ while Judo olympian, if not worse. I saw a Judo bronze olympic medalist get tapped by some nobody in BJJ competition too, not even sure if the other guy was brown belt even.
 
I would say Fedor has black belt level grappling... But there are black belts and then there are black belts.

I have no idea if he would have been competitive in the international bjj scene during his prime or not. If he'd focused purely on his grappling I wouldn't be surprised. His judo and sambo base would transfer over pretty well and he was athletic as hell with super quick hips. His arm bar on Coleman is still one of my favorite MMA arm bars.
 
I would say Fedor has black belt level grappling... But there are black belts and then there are black belts.

I have no idea if he would have been competitive in the international bjj scene during his prime or not. If he'd focused purely on his grappling I wouldn't be surprised. His judo and sambo base would transfer over pretty well and he was athletic as hell with super quick hips. His arm bar on Coleman is still one of my favorite MMA arm bars.

It's interesting because it looks like lots of guys in bjj go for leg locks, and sambo is known for leg locks, so...I can see guys just getting positions on Fedor, but Fedor looks like really tough guy to submit
 
Fedor isn't a pure sub guy add punches and then ask this question
 
Prime Fedor would be BB level in some aspects of grappling. But he also had too many holes in his game to be considered a true black belt.

Though I think his submissions and wrestling have deteriorated considerably from his prime days. He looked pretty good in his sambo fights and when doing rolls in those training videos. These days Fedor thinks he’s a boxer and avoids grappling.
 
Im sure fedor when he was a bit younger wouldve held his own against elite bjj black belts. He was high level in several different grappling arts. Was a world champ in sambo. He isnt just some guy who knows judo and sambo. He has a track record to prove hes a legit bad ass when it comes to grappling.
 
Prime Fedor would be BB level in some aspects of grappling. But he also had too many holes in his game to be considered a true black belt.

Though I think his submissions and wrestling have deteriorated considerably from his prime days. He looked pretty good in his sambo fights and when doing rolls in those training videos. These days Fedor thinks he’s a boxer and avoids grappling.

Yeah, FEdor probably have holes, but you'd probably have to be elite, elite bjj guy to be able to exploit that tho
 
He basically played inside a prime Nogueira's guard for 30 minutes without even coming close to being submitted. That's all you need to know about his ground game.

Aside from a very good armbar, his typically shown a rudimentary game off his back, but it mostly hasn't hurt him.
 
My coach is a high level black belt and thinks that his is guard is really good. I remember years ago he was actually scheduled to compete in ADCC but pulled out due to injury.

But he definitely has holes in his game that were exposed by Werdum and Bigfoot.

In his fight with Frank Mir he did fine on the ground.

The fight I wish I'd really seen was Josh Barnett. Would have been very interesting.

He was smart to go train with Ernesto Hoost to prepare for Cro Cop and became an amazing striker after that. I always wondered why he didn't do the same thing for his grappling and go train with Roger Gracie or another truly elite grappler.
 
My coach is a high level black belt and thinks that his is guard is really good. I remember years ago he was actually scheduled to compete in ADCC but pulled out due to injury.

But he definitely has holes in his game that were exposed by Werdum and Bigfoot.

In his fight with Frank Mir he did fine on the ground.

The fight I wish I'd really seen was Josh Barnett. Would have been very interesting.

He was smart to go train with Ernesto Hoost to prepare for Cro Cop and became an amazing striker after that. I always wondered why he didn't do the same thing for his grappling and go train with Roger Gracie or another truly elite grappler.

Really? His guard game is like, I'm not going to try to prevent you from passing my guard, try to do something with it, you can't

I think a few years back, Vinny was going there then didn't because he wasn't going to get paid enough. Now he's training in Holland from time to time with apparently Rickson Gracie black belt and whoever's over at the gym...
 
Really? His guard game is like, I'm not going to try to prevent you from passing my guard, try to do something with it, you can't

I think a few years back, Vinny was going there then didn't because he wasn't going to get paid enough. Now he's training in Holland from time to time with apparently Rickson Gracie black belt and whoever's over at the gym...

you talking about what? mma? he got his guard passed by bigfoot and got taken to school. hell mark hunt almost beat him. Fedor is not tht good of his back. Then who was the other top grappler he faced? werdum subed him, arona controlled him and arona is not that known for being a sub hunter, Nog spent most of the fight on his back, fucking mark hunt controlled him for a long period of time once on top.
 
you talking about what? mma? he got his guard passed by bigfoot and got taken to school. hell mark hunt almost beat him. Fedor is not tht good of his back. Then who was the other top grappler he faced? werdum subed him, arona controlled him and arona is not that known for being a sub hunter, Nog spent most of the fight on his back, fucking mark hunt controlled him for a long period of time once on top.

dude i wasn't the one who said fedor had a good guard here
 
you talking about what? mma? he got his guard passed by bigfoot and got taken to school. hell mark hunt almost beat him. Fedor is not tht good of his back. Then who was the other top grappler he faced? werdum subed him, arona controlled him and arona is not that known for being a sub hunter, Nog spent most of the fight on his back, fucking mark hunt controlled him for a long period of time once on top.

and you let me know how well you go when 285 pound TRT bjj black belt pounding your face in, or 300 pounds Mark Hunt just laying on you in side control
 
dude i wasn't the one who said fedor had a good guard here
and you let me know how well you go when 285 pound TRT bjj black belt pounding your face in, or 300 pounds Mark Hunt just laying on you in side control

me? how the heck am I on this subject?

TRT my ass, fedor had been fighting full on roids monster for most of his career in pride, trt had nothing to do with this, (not to mention bigfoot had a legit TRT case) his guard game was the problem... you said he doesnt care people passing his guard, well, bigfoot passed his guard and gave him the beating of his life... mark hunt wouldnt lay on nog, mir or any other top grappler for that long either.
 
me? how the heck am I on this subject?

TRT my ass, fedor had been fighting full on roids monster for most of his career in pride, trt had nothing to do with this, (not to mention bigfoot had a legit TRT case) his guard game was the problem... you said he doesnt care people passing his guard, well, bigfoot passed his guard and gave him the beating of his life... mark hunt wouldnt lay on nog, mir or any other top grappler for that long either.

Oh boy, let the hate flow through you son, did Fedor fuck your gf?
 
The question is posed implying a comparison of BJJ or equivalent skills, so basicaly his sub skills especially off his back.

-In pure submission grappling he would probably not win adcc but is still a good level.

-In overall grappling: his top game is up there with many elite grapplers
His game off his back is different, he prefers to allow people to pass guard then scramble and reverse position or get up, but doesnt always work like against bigfoot. But then again that guy is called 'bigfoot' for a reason, would like to see any BJJ blackbelt do better in mma in that position against bigfoot.
In standing grappling and throws - of course he is a Judo/ sambo guy so owns any BJJ blackbelt who hasn't also trained wrestling or Judo.

-In full mma grappling with strikes - would be maybe a handful of BJJ blackbelts who compete mma who could survive with him without getting KTFO or stopped within a few minutes.
 
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