Is Emanual Steward good for his fighters?

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I like Manny Steward. I like to hear him talk, and I like to dissect his analysis. But I DONT like him cornering a fighter!

I think the advice he gave to Klitchko last night was atrocious. Here we have Vladimir clearly winning the fight easily going into the final rounds.. Most trainers, in similiar circumstances, would tell their fighters, 'youve got the fight won, so dont take any stupid chances.. Just stick and jab through the final round, and dont get hit!'. That would be the prudent approach to take.. Especially with a wild swinger like this Ibragimov. Clearly, Klitchko was having alot of trouble against this lefty stance. Ibragimov was throwing bombs from all angles, any one of which could have been big trouble had they landed. . After all, the guy has won 70% of his fights by knockout; not quite up to Klitchko's own knockout record of over 80%, but still, Ibragimov was not without power. After a few rounds, it was apparent that Klitchko was having big trouble with his left handed opponent's style. And as a result, there should have been a shift in Steward's strategy away from having to look exciting to one which said that a knockout would be nice if it came, but it would be preferable for Klitchko to just box the guy, stay away, and chalk up the victory.

Its not possible for a fighter to look great against everybody. As they say, styles make fights, and Ibragimov's style was not one Klitchko would ever look great against.

So, for Steward in the last rounds to say to his charge, '...if you dont knock him out, its going to be Really Bad', to me, bordered on sheer incompetence. The main thing you want to do against an awkward fighter like Ibragimov who has knockout power of his own, is to NOT GET CAUGHT. In the end, while it was a boring fight, I think Klitchko did exactly the right thing. He demonstrated a terrific defense, scored plenty enough to win almost every round, without taking stupid chances. Thats how to build up a good pro record, and to consolidate your career, and the division. Klitchko is clearly the most talented heavyweight out there, and so long as he keeps putting up those Ws, he'll be recognized as the single HW champ of the world before long. All it takes is one bad loss to derail his future.

With all that on the line, I think Klitchko had the right idea, and Manny Steward didnt! I think he should give up his training career and stick to commentating.
 
I'll always remember (hope I got the right fight) Curry vs. (Manny's fighter) Milton McCrory.

McCrory is getting his ass whooped but, by god, he's giving it everything he can...Curry is just better.

McCrory goes to the corner between rounds and Manny is tearing into him saying to the effect of "come on you gotta do better than that, what's wrong with you" ... and McCrory says "I'm giving it everything I can".

Just the tone in McCrory's voice... you knew he was just giving it his all, every drop. He was that far from being totally spent.

Manny's laying into him.

Not gonna say Manny seems like a heartless fucker at times, but he's seems to be a stern task manager that's for sure.
 
The fact that he has trained a shit load of world champions suggests he is good for his fighters.
Fighters have bad nights, so its not to be unexpected that trainers have a bad night too.

The Manny Steward slagging only seemed to have started since he trained Jermaine Taylor.
 
I agree, Manny's win record speaks for itself, not saying otherwise.

One of the all-time best.
 
Manny expects the best out of his fighter and he is the premier trainer in boxing, I was so happy when he started commentating. He is a living legend in the sport. War Emanuel !!
 
sultan wasent doing anything. what bombs? he couldnt get inside, and sporadically lunged in to throw a body shot(he was clueless and so was jeff). im glad that steward said what he said. wlad could of and should have made a statement. he could of cemented himself as the best and most dominant heavyweight in the division. to some extent he did accomplish that, but at the same time he raised even more questions. wlad still cannot handle pressure, and that needs to be addressed, because if he ever fights a guy that can bully him around in there, that might spell trouble.
 
Manny expects the best out of his fighter and he is the premier trainer in boxing, I was so happy when he started commentating. He is a living legend in the sport. War Emanuel !!

I agree.. Ive always liked Manny, and have always thought him one of the best trainers around. Thats why I was not happily surprised when I heard him giving advice to Klitchko that was just plain dumb.

So lets get away from the subject I listed about being good for his fighters.. My bad for misnaming the thread.. What I was trying to get across, and did state clearly in my opening post, that no matter what his prowess in the field is, which is huge, this particular advice to Vladimir was dumb... Do you not all agree? Could we not all see what a bad style matchup this was turning into for Vladi? Not just the southpaw that his opponent was, but the Awkward, unpredictable, wild swinging southpaw he was, with that awkward, crab-like hard to hit shell he maintained.. Did we not all feel that if he got too bold, any one of those wild swinging hooks from the smaller, lesser skilled fighter could have landed Vladi of the glass jaw right on his keister? Given the stylistic horror show this was turning into, I was just damn glad to get the victory.. Period.. That opponent was NOT one I would have used as an opportunity to show the world how great Vladimir could look. That was an opponent, a fellow title holder, whom I was damn glad to beat and walk away on my own volition.

So, yes, in general Id agree Mani is one of the best all time trainers in the business. What Im disappointed in is the way he handles some of these individual situations. And you guys have given some others. It almost seems, sometimes, he lets his own frustration get in the way of his knowledge and his planning. Charging up your fighter is one thing; losing your cool and allowing emotion to get in the way of the primary goal at hand is another.

>>what bombs? <<

What bombs? Oh, I dont know.. Maybe it was those wildly swinging, awkward lunges, that Vladi seemed to have his handsfull just trying to avoid. As I said the guy is a title holder, and owner of a 70% ko ratio.. And Vladi has a glass jaw.. Put them together, and Id say prudence should rule the day. And thats how Vladi fought it.. If there was a good way to penetrate the opponent, neither Vladi nor Manny had a clue what it was. Its easy to right Sultan off because hes smaller, rounder, and doesnt look much like a powerful fighter. But he is a title holder, has beaten some decent heavyweights, and can knock anybody out if those wild lunges landed. Especially foes with glass jaws! The thing that was really starting to piss me off is several of those wildly swinging hooks wound up connecting with the back of Vladis head, and the ref wasnt doing a thing about it.
 
The Manny Steward slagging only seemed to have started since he trained Jermaine Taylor.

lol@this.

Couldn't be less true. Manny's had great moments, and moments where he's revealed himself as absolutely worthless to his Fighters.

You guys are funny. How soon we forget that nearly ever Fighter below Heavyweight Manny has ever had has been forced to ride Tommy Hearns' name, because that name comes out of his mouth more than any other Fighter he has. Did it to Michael Moorer, and did to Andy Lee for chrissakes.

"He's the next Tommy Hearns."

And leave us not forget that he was the reason Mike McCallum got fucked out of the Title Shot against Duran. Manny signed the contract to the WBA for Mike to step aside, and get no money for it. Leave us not also forget his vehement hatred for Manny Pacquiao, among many other Fighters.

Manny's a good trainer, truly one of the best in the business (I wouldn't go as far as to call him the best, he can't take credit for a lot of his Fighters being monumentally talented), but beneath that lies a pretty unstable man. The Boxing Community has known this for years. Which is why no one says anything regarding why Kronk REALLY had to close down.
 
Well now I'm curious. Why would that be?
 
Manny's a good trainer, truly one of the best in the business (I wouldn't go as far as to call him the best, he can't take credit for a lot of his Fighters being monumentally talented), but beneath that lies a pretty unstable man. The Boxing Community has known this for years. Which is why no one says anything regarding why Kronk REALLY had to close down.

truth. I remember a year or two ago when they were having charity events and shit to bring kronk back despite manny still training big name fighters, commentating, and making $$$$$.

I remember hearing he has horrible addiction problems, specifically gambling.
 
he should've slapped WK in the face and yelled "knock this MFer out." worked for lewis in the tyson fight.
 
lol@this.

Couldn't be less true. Manny's had great moments, and moments where he's revealed himself as absolutely worthless to his Fighters.

You guys are funny. How soon we forget that nearly ever Fighter below Heavyweight Manny has ever had has been forced to ride Tommy Hearns' name, because that name comes out of his mouth more than any other Fighter he has. Did it to Michael Moorer, and did to Andy Lee for chrissakes.

"He's the next Tommy Hearns."

And leave us not forget that he was the reason Mike McCallum got fucked out of the Title Shot against Duran. Manny signed the contract to the WBA for Mike to step aside, and get no money for it. Leave us not also forget his vehement hatred for Manny Pacquiao, among many other Fighters.

Manny's a good trainer, truly one of the best in the business (I wouldn't go as far as to call him the best, he can't take credit for a lot of his Fighters being monumentally talented), but beneath that lies a pretty unstable man. The Boxing Community has known this for years. Which is why no one says anything regarding why Kronk REALLY had to close down.

Yea, he's basicaly a worthless scumbag douchebag. His blatant disrespect to certain fighters while he's working for HBO makes me want to commit a homocide. I genuinely despise the man.
 
lol@this.

Couldn't be less true. Manny's had great moments, and moments where he's revealed himself as absolutely worthless to his Fighters.

You guys are funny. How soon we forget that nearly ever Fighter below Heavyweight Manny has ever had has been forced to ride Tommy Hearns' name, because that name comes out of his mouth more than any other Fighter he has. Did it to Michael Moorer, and did to Andy Lee for chrissakes.

"He's the next Tommy Hearns."

And leave us not forget that he was the reason Mike McCallum got fucked out of the Title Shot against Duran. Manny signed the contract to the WBA for Mike to step aside, and get no money for it. Leave us not also forget his vehement hatred for Manny Pacquiao, among many other Fighters.

Manny's a good trainer, truly one of the best in the business (I wouldn't go as far as to call him the best, he can't take credit for a lot of his Fighters being monumentally talented), but beneath that lies a pretty unstable man. The Boxing Community has known this for years. Which is why no one says anything regarding why Kronk REALLY had to close down.

I'd have to agree with most of this, the main point is something as fighters, we seldom take into account but was always important to me. I don't care how much you know, I want to know how much you care(I heard this in regard to secretariats trainers and it stuck). If they don't give a shit about you then it can't end well businesswise, lifewise or otherwise. Manny's good but i've heard tales for years how fighters got neglected and being around the fight game as long as I have, I know how easy that happens to good sincere men.
 
But guys, don't forget, Manny makes the best BBQ in the boxing business!
 
Well now I'm curious. Why would that be?

Jeff said it up there. Manny has serious gambling problems, and has burned a lot of bridges with people in the business that could have helped him keep Kronk alive. Kronk closed down because Manny quit giving a shit about it. Plain and simple.
 
Yea, he's basicaly a worthless scumbag douchebag. His blatant disrespect to certain fighters while he's working for HBO makes me want to commit a homocide. I genuinely despise the man.

he fucking sucks on the mic.

I don't even want to get started bout that.
 
he always blows my mind that he never seems to know what fucking round it is, how the hell are you going to implement strategy and cant keep up with where you are in the fight?
 
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