Crime Incels: how online extremism is changing

[So Fresh]

“Incels” are an online community of mostly young men, some of whom promote violent hatred of women. In the online world, violent extremism is evolving in ever more fluid ways — with fatal consequences in the real world.
Cliffs:
- The influence of internet on extremism
- government struggle with this evolution
- can tech help?
- jake davidson, murderer in the UK linked to online incel community’s
- little bit about what incels do online and where (misogyny on reddit, 4chan, etc.)
- isolation + endless stream of content will lead to increased membership and potential for violence because of that
- research: 59% increase in code words linked to mass murders
- stop the lone wolf narrative
- little bit about qanon
- internet causes groups to be smaller and thus easier to be extremist
- overlap between incel ideology and the alt right
- next ten years acceleration in intertwined ideologies
- easier to share instant and endlessly misinformation
- andrew tate normalizing misogyny
- solution: adds linked to google searches; so basically if you’re looking up extremist shit you get adds for mental health services

Well interesting video. I don’t know about the solution tbh. If I’m looking for extreme misogynistic videos on google or looking for the next popular incel hang out, am I gonna be deterred by some lame advertising about mental health? don’t think so.

The fusion of all the ideologies is interesting though. You can see it already with Andrew Tate becoming muslim. We have a far right group here too who are suddenly embracing islam and denouncing christendom because they are “pussy’s”.

 

[Zazen]

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.

 

[So Fresh]

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.

Yeah I agree. They also point that out in the video; that isolation is a leading factor. But how do you get these people out of their house, how do you even find them. This advertisement targeting is a good idea in theory but I doubt it will work.

 

[Cole train]

Meh there have always been guys who cant get laid due to some physical or mental thing.Now theres internet to hear about them

Brothels might be one idea like in central euro or aus since it provides some kind of intimacy to person.In the end affection is basic need for mental health and going entire life without will fry your brain.

I dont believe in any violent uprising that you hear about in these discussions online but what might happen is guys start to drop out from society and live on welfare or go criminal which will put heavy strain on system.

Complicated stuff imo

 

[Nameless King]

I think every guy can get a girl. Personally I got issues with getting a gf. But its purely down to my preferences. I want good looking girl, top shelf, end of story. Nothing average. But then how can I expect to get top shelf when I am myself average. This is where escorts come into play which I do use. So I totally dont understand that movement at all. You want a gf? Have a realistic expectations of what can you get.

 

[fingercuffs]

This is a thing?

@So Fresh <3

 

[ReligiousDiscipline]

Islam seems to be the way to go if you hate women. I'm seeing that too lately, Islam is looked upon as a masculine religion whereas Christianity has gone soft by accepting gays and stuff. I bet he loves the countries that restrict women's rights. It's really sad that this is the man that is influencing millions of young boys.

I really don't know what you do with these people. They have a huge victim mentality and instead of self-improvement they choose to blame all women for not sleeping with them. They feel entitled to sex and it just doesn't work that way. I think for one, these people need to stop living terminally online lives. They need to go out there into the real world and start talking to people. I think traveling really helped me break out of my shell. It forces you into uncomfortable situations at times, especially if you go alone as I did while I was very young. It gives you some confidence that you can do things on your own. I don't know the solution, but I do know that sitting in front of a computer all day, every day and complaining about women is not one of them.

Islam is not the way to go if you hate women. If you actually take time to read just a little bit about Islam, then you will understand that Islam highly honors women, children, motherhood and family more than any religion (it even exceeds Catholicism in some ways) and certainly respects women far more than any secular ideology.

Dawud Walid:

Raising Males Into Sacred Manhood

 

[Gutter Chris]

Yeah I agree. They also point that out in the video; that isolation is a leading factor. But how do you get these people out of their house, how do you even find them. This advertisement targeting is a good idea in theory but I doubt it will work.

Does that video you posted talk about fathers and single moms ? I feel like not having a dad is where most boys go wrong and likely the best defense against this nonsense.

 

[TryggeTryggvar]

Islam is not the way to go if you hate women. If you actually take time to read just a little bit about Islam, then you will understand that Islam highly honors women, children, motherhood and family more than any religion (it even exceeds Catholicism in some ways) and certainly respects women far more than any secular ideology.

Dawud Walid:

Raising Males Into Sacred Manhood

https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...ahaf-mohammed-review-escape-from-saudi-arabia

Sounds like womans paradise if you ask me. What more can you want if you are a woman?

 

[fedorthegoat777]

Islam is not the way to go if you hate women. If you actually take time to read just a little bit about Islam, then you will understand that Islam highly honors women, children, motherhood and family more than any religion (it even exceeds Catholicism in some ways) and certainly respects women far more than any secular ideology.

Dawud Walid:

Raising Males Into Sacred Manhood

From what I have read about Islam and the people I have spoken with, the women have to stay covered and get beaten by their husbands as a normal thing. Yeah, not for my daughters.

 

[gspieler]

Islam is not the way to go if you hate women. If you actually take time to read just a little bit about Islam, then you will understand that Islam highly honors women, children, motherhood and family more than any religion (it even exceeds Catholicism in some ways) and certainly respects women far more than any secular ideology.

Dawud Walid:

Raising Males Into Sacred Manhood

Islam values women as wives/daughters/mothers, but also subjugates them. In parts of the Muslim, they are the practical equivalent to personal property.

 

[Staph infection]

Islam values women as wives/daughters/mothers, but also subjugates them. In parts of the Muslim, they are the practical equivalent to personal property.

They value them as tools of breeding.

 

[panamaican]

I don't have a comment on the Islam part of this. It's a conservative religion with very defined gender roles, there's no surprise that it would appeal to guys who might equate their success and failure with the opposite sex with changing gender roles.

As for if incels are a threat -- I think they're a threat the way any disenfranchised group is a threat when they don't see a path forward. Guys have to redefine how they value themselves to bring it better in line with the modern world. Holding on to outdated metrics of value is only going to lead them to greater and greater levels of disappointment. On the threat side, obviously they're going to be easier to radicalize because they're already angry and looking for a direction for that anger.

I don't think there are enough of them to shift anything of importance but there are enough of them to create problems.

 

[CantCucktheTuck]

I’ve noticed a lot of lefties with an unhealthy obsession with “incels”. Not sure why.

 

[Zazen]

Islam is not the way to go if you hate women. If you actually take time to read just a little bit about Islam, then you will understand that Islam highly honors women, children, motherhood and family more than any religion (it even exceeds Catholicism in some ways) and certainly respects women far more than any secular ideology.

Dawud Walid:

Raising Males Into Sacred Manhood

How does Islam treat women better than secular people? All secular people do is say women should do what they think is best for themselves. Do men know what is better for women than women themselves?

 

[PBAC]

I really want Tinder to explain what is stopping these people from getting matches. A lot of them aren't ugly and they could just play down their poor qualities. I find the idea that dating apps can subjugate an entire section of the society into being dateless, probably at the touch of a button, as terrifying

 

[TheGreatA]

I think men, on the whole, are dealing with failure in relationships better than at any point in human history.

Extreme examples exist, but there is also a whole lot more rejection than men have had to deal with in previous times. Obviously some people will lash out in a destructive manner.

 

[So Fresh]

I think every guy can get a girl. Personally I got issues with getting a gf. But its purely down to my preferences. I want good looking girl, top shelf, end of story. Nothing average. But then how can I expect to get top shelf when I am myself average. This is where escorts come into play which I do use. So I totally dont understand that movement at all. You want a gf? Have a realistic expectations of what can you get.

Yeah but that’s part of the problem. In their worldview most of these women are not good enough. Fed by their conservative view of women, a lot of women are already sluts, whores, etc. So they also set the bar extremely high.

 

[Blayt7hh]

Islam is not the way to go if you hate women. If you actually take time to read just a little bit about Islam, then you will understand that Islam highly honors women, children, motherhood and family more than any religion (it even exceeds Catholicism in some ways) and certainly respects women far more than any secular ideology.

Dawud Walid:

Raising Males Into Sacred Manhood

Even if that is as such, that is not the way it is practiced in a lot of Muslim countries. I hope you’re not planning to argue otherwise

 

[So Fresh]

Meh there have always been guys who cant get laid due to some physical or mental thing.Now theres internet to hear about them

Brothels might be one idea like in central euro or aus since it provides some kind of intimacy to person.In the end affection is basic need for mental health and going entire life without will fry your brain.

I dont believe in any violent uprising that you hear about in these discussions online but what might happen is guys start to drop out from society and live on welfare or go criminal which will put heavy strain on system.

Complicated stuff imo

Not only hears them but also amplify their victimhood and feed their extremes. That’s the big difference what they also touch upon in the video. The problem now is the internet which makes it so much easier to radicalize.

And it’s not necessarily an uprising they are worried about like in The Joker or whatever, but more “terrorist” attacks and violence against women. And then ofc in combination with other radicalized groups where it’s easy to get in contact with.

Imagine a lonely incel radicalizing on the internet and becoming friends with a radical muslim who teaches him to make bombs.