If a Fighter Tests Positive or Runs Away From Testing...

[BluntForceTrama]

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

 

[stereolab]

Yeah to having their record glared down on, but they shouldn't have matches taken away from them that they didn't test positive on. They probably were doping, but if they weren't confirmed, it's all speculation. Just like a witness, if they lied before, they probably lied somewhere else, but that has to be proven separately.

 

[Schoolboy Q]

At the end of the day, Rodriguez still left KZ unconscious.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Yeah to having their record glared down on, but they shouldn't have matches taken away from them that they didn't test positive on. They probably were doping, but if they weren't confirmed, it's all speculation. Just like a witness, if they lied before, they probably lied somewhere else, but that has to be proven separately.

No Their testimony is usually thrown out due to credibility issues

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Then Josh Barnett never won a fight

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Then Josh Barnett never won a fight

Lol Same especially with Dillishaw

 

[Schoolboy Q]

Lol Same especially with Dillishaw

Lol what about Brian Ortega? The guy who just owned KZ.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

Currently if they miss 3 they're penalized. That includes missing a test, not filing where they are, or mis-filing where they were.

No, I'm not convinced the process needs more fine tuning.

 

[Genisys]

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

You're assuming that every fighter that tests positive intentionally took a banned substance. There are legit cases where someone took a supplement that was tainted. If a fighter was wronged by a company that sold a tainted product that was supposed to be clean then they should not be penalized. Also, if a fighter is tested before a fight and they don't find a banned substance then that fighter is clean for that fight. Whether they are truly clean or not doesn't matter. No body, no evidence, no crime.

 

[DS66]

The thing is, they passed the drug tests for those previous fights. So if we're assuming USADA has credibility and is the authority on this, then we have to assume the fighters weren't on PED's for those previous fights, as they passed the USADA tests.

I'm not saying those assumptions are correct, but at the very least we have to be consistent in our assumptions.

 

[Pierced7681]

Wand got banned for life for running out the back door when the tester showed up

 

[sadowolf]

Lol Same especially with Dillishaw

Didn't TJ have previous fights' samples retested and they came back negative? Should they just assume he was doping anyway and still penalize his past record?

 

[sss133]

Shouldn't his record be penalized as well to deter others and finally clean up the sport once and for all.

Shouldn't his/her previous matches be glared upon somehow and for the other fighters previously marched up with vice versa?


Just like a defendant whose found to have lied once during testimony his whole case is basically fucked due to credibility, an asterisk should be applied at the very least since it should be assumed that all previous fights were likely tarnished

it shouldn't be right that previous fighters who've lost to culprit should sit there content with the result

Its innocent until proven guilty officially so that won’t change. The fighter would just deny they used in those fights anyway. Look at TJ and Jones. A pretty large group of people already question their records/legacy but they just deny it so unless they’re caught directly in the act it doesn’t really matter

 

[Bend NvR Break]

Its innocent until proven guilty officially so that won’t change. The fighter would just deny they used in those fights anyway. Look at TJ and Jones. A pretty large group of people already question their records/legacy but they just deny it so unless they’re caught directly in the act it doesn’t really matter

This.

Either USADA is a good credible testing agency and those guys were clean for all their fights they never popped for and got caught when they actually used.

Or

The system is broken and USADA can't legitimately, consistently catch anyone.

IMO of course.

 

[BluntForceTrama]

Didn't TJ have previous fights' samples retested and they came back negative? Should they just assume he was doping anyway and still penalize his past record?

You're right but there's no way to tell but one thing for sure his teammates were all pointing the finger at him since he joined alpha male The prime suspect
Plus it's proven he's a habitual liar

I think he snaked his way past those tests which we're probably a lot easier to get by then now

 

[finalboss]

If you smoke weed once, you're an addict.

 

[SeattleFightFan]

This.

Either USADA is a good credible testing agency and those guys were clean for all their fights they never popped for and got caught when they actually used.

Or

The system is broken and USADA can't legitimately, consistently catch anyone.

IMO of course.

I can think of 2 more options:

3) They and everyone knows they cannot catch all cheaters all the time, but with the threat cheating is cut down substantially. Just like most other regulatory systems in our world.

4) Conspiracy, fraud, bribery, corruption...pick your noun.

 

[kenetics]

At the end of the day, Rodriguez still left KZ unconscious.

And beat stephens in rematch. Sherdoggers are still mad about that lol

 

[kflo]

This.

Either USADA is a good credible testing agency and those guys were clean for all their fights they never popped for and got caught when they actually used.

Or

The system is broken and USADA can't legitimately, consistently catch anyone.

IMO of course.

or there are simply ways to chance the system in the hopes of getting away with it and sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. it doesn't invalidate it all. tj took a calculated risk and got caught.

 

[snackgod]

Wand got banned for life for running out the back door when the tester showed up

that why running away or not taking a drug tests is considered failing a tests. you think at the met gala lindsey vohn really wanted to submit a drug tests but had to do it or fear the punishment that come from it.