How Long in Fundamentals Class?

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I am looking at a few different schools and trying to find one that feels right and also has a schedule that works for me. In doing this, I was wondering how long most people stay in a "fundamentals" class before going on to intermediate or all belts class. I have not been able to get a clear answer from the schools, so I thought I would check here to see how long people go to fundamentals/beginner class on average. For the school that is close to me, the fundamentals classes work great but I will have trouble going to the all belts class because it is too early.

Thanks.
 
It depends on the curriculum.
Do you know how it takes to cover one rotation of the fundamentals curriculum?
 
We get quite a lot of higher belts at our basics class, it depends on whether you are the type of player that likes to know the basics better than your opponent or whether you prefer the newest innovations to defeat them.

Its one of those questions that is hard to give a fixed answer to. It depends on you, what your goals are, how quickly you learn, what your schools basics class consists of, how often you go to class & how you want your game to develop

I think you could stop going after you are reasonably comfortable with...

How to break closed guard
2 x Guard passes
2 x sweeps (or back takes) from guard
2 x submissions from guard
basics of guard retention
1 x 1/2 guard pass
1 x sub from 1/2 guard top
how to regain guard from 1/2 guard
2 x sweeps/back take from 1/2 guard
1 x sub from 1/2 guard bottom
2 x back takes from turtle/sprawl/side ride
1 x sub from turtle/sprawl/side ride
regaining guard from turtle/sprawl/side ride
basics of controling side control
2 x subs from side control
transitioning from side to mount
2 x side control escapes
basics of controling mount
2 x subs from mount
transitioning from mount to back
2 x mount escapes
basics of controlling back mount
2 x subs from the back
back mount defence and escapes


But just turn up and roll, you will know how you are doing relative to everyone else and what class you should be in
 
If you worry that you won't be able to attend the earlier intermediate classes. Do not worry. Fundamentals is good. But you will need to attend open mats and roll with higher belts later on. Maybe in one year and so.
 
Fundamentals are the most important thing in BJJ. I'm a purple belt and would rather miss the advanced class than the fundamentals class.
 
at my school, the basic/fundamental class is about 6 months long. the class is being taught by our good purple belts
 
6 months on average before you're ready for intermediate classes. But that doesn't mean you should stop going to fundamentals after 6 months.
 
Man when I started there was no such thing. It was sink or swim. I think it's great and I wish my schools had that option back in the day.
 
like others said, fundamentals are the most important thing. if you feel more advanced then go to the other classes too
 
I was a little concerned when I signed up for Gracie Barra because they said I had to go into the Fundamentals class for at least 16 weeks / 4 months even though I had been already rolling at other schools in the open classes. Five weeks in I'm extremely grateful they put me in there.

Most other schools I've attended in the past went something like this on my first month: Run around the mat twice, 13 seconds of stretching, then instructor starts showing reverse X-guard sweep techniques which make no sense to me at my level, then grab a random partner (who is usually the guy that likes to smash the newbie) and roll for 35 minutes. This would end up with me rolling extremely hard with no technique other than using a lot of strength in order to try and not get smashed and usually pull a rib muscle or quad or something during the roll that kept me out the next couple of classes.

This would force me to try and figure out what techniques they were using to smash me and ask them for tips between rolls so I could learn basic techniques. Even though I've been rolling on and off for 17 years in schools like that, I didn't realize how many of my pure basics were either loose or lacking from my game until I started doing the Fundamentals class at Gracie Barra.

If your school's fundamentals class is anything like the Gracie Barra Fundamentals program, they have systematically put together a curriculum that builds from the ground up all of the core techniques and concepts you need to know.

I was concerned that I would be bored in that class, but it has done several positive things for me. The first one is conditioning. The warm ups and cool downs at the beginning and ending of class are really preparing my body for rolling by build up my cardio, strengthening my abs and improving my flexibility in every class.

Then for the technique portion, they start from the very beginning and work systematically from most basic to more advanced techniques over the course of the 16 weeks. At the end of the 16 weeks, it starts over again from the beginning. The cool thing is each week highlights a position and builds on it. For example, this week is week 7 and this week the self defense techniques are focusing on Bottom Escapes with Punches and the sport jiu jitsu techniques are working Back Position and Back Escapes.

First two weeks were guard focused, second two weeks were side control focused, last two weeks for mount focused. Weeks 7 & 8 are focusing on working from the back. Based on the resources that GB provides, I already know the names and techniques we are going to be working on this week and I've already looked at the videos of them so they are fresh in my mind going into class. This adds another benefit in that after class I can go home and review the videos again which solidifies my retention and allows me to pick up pieces of technique that I didn't get the first time through.

Also, like others mentioned, the Fundamentals classes don't only have white belts in them. There are blues and purples that show up to refresh/revisit certain techniques and positions. Since it is all posted, they know what days to show up for which techniques and positions.

Then after the technique portion, we do either positional sparring or live sparring depending on who is in the class. I've actually been enjoying the positional sparring more as it starts from the position that we are working that week and we can actively go for the techniques and escapes that we just learned.

All of this is really moving my game forward in a way that just doing to open classes in the past had not. I'm really enjoying the process.

So to answer your question, don't worry about how long to be in the fundamentals class. Just go and enjoy.
 
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It really depends on your pace. My old school requires you to have at least 4 strips to advance into the intermediate class.
 
You never graduate from fundamentals. never stop going. Try to incorporate where you can fit in a good mix. remember, fundamentals never fail you
 
I was a little concerned when I signed up for Gracie Barra because they said I had to go into the Fundamentals class for at least 16 weeks / 4 months even though I had been already rolling at other schools in the open classes. Five weeks in I'm extremely grateful they put me in there.

Most other schools I've attended in the past went something like this on my first month: Run around the mat twice, 13 seconds of stretching, then instructor starts showing reverse X-guard sweep techniques which make no sense to me at my level, then grab a random partner (who is usually the guy that likes to smash the newbie) and roll for 35 minutes. This would end up with me rolling extremely hard with no technique other than using a lot of strength in order to try and not get smashed and usually pull a rib muscle or quad or something during the roll that kept me out the next couple of classes.

This would force me to try and figure out what techniques they were using to smash me and ask them for tips between rolls so I could learn basic techniques. Even though I've been rolling on and off for 17 years in schools like that, I didn't realize how many of my pure basics were either loose or lacking from my game until I started doing the Fundamentals class at Gracie Barra.

If your school's fundamentals class is anything like the Gracie Barra Fundamentals program, they have systematically put together a curriculum that builds from the ground up all of the core techniques and concepts you need to know.

I was concerned that I would be bored in that class, but it has done several positive things for me. The first one is conditioning. The warm ups and cool downs at the beginning and ending of class are really preparing my body for rolling by build up my cardio, strengthening my abs and improving my flexibility in every class.

Then for the technique portion, they start from the very beginning and work systematically from most basic to more advanced techniques over the course of the 16 weeks. At the end of the 16 weeks, it starts over again from the beginning. The cool thing is each week highlights a position and builds on it. For example, this week is week 7 and this week the self defense techniques are focusing on Bottom Escapes with Punches and the sport jiu jitsu techniques are working Back Position and Back Escapes.

First two weeks were guard focused, second two weeks were side control focused, last two weeks for mount focused. Weeks 7 & 8 are focusing on working from the back. Based on the resources that GB provides, I already know the names and techniques we are going to be working on this week and I've already looked at the videos of them so they are fresh in my mind going into class. This adds another benefit in that after class I can go home and review the videos again which solidifies my retention and allows me to pick up pieces of technique that I didn't get the first time through.

Also, like others mentioned, the Fundamentals classes don't only have white belts in them. There are blues and purples that show up to refresh/revisit certain techniques and positions. Since it is all posted, they know what days to show up for which techniques and positions.

Then after the technique portion, we do either positional sparring or live sparring depending on who is in the class. I've actually been enjoying the positional sparring more as it starts from the position that we are working that week and we can actively go for the techniques and escapes that we just learned.

All of this is really moving my game forward in a way that just doing to open classes in the past had not. I'm really enjoying the process.

So to answer your question, don't worry about how long to be in the fundamentals class. Just go and enjoy.

Solid post.

I'm not a GB guy, but man, if there's one thing BJJ needs, it's a fucking curriculum for getting people from white to blue. I'm not sure whose bright idea the "running around the mat a few times followed by jumping jacks and pushups" + random few techniques of the week + rolling was, but it's a really suboptimal way of getting beginners up to speed.
 
Hate to break it to ya, but they're not giving you a clear answer because there is no clear answer. There is no way to tell you how long you're going to be in fundies. Some people are ready for advanced class in 4 months, some in 1.5 years. And you should never really 'leave' the fundamentals class, but rather add the advanced.

As a brown belt I still attend the fundamentals class as often as the Advanced class (with plenty of "All Levels" sprinkled in there).
 
Solid post.

I'm not a GB guy, but man, if there's one thing BJJ needs, it's a fucking curriculum for getting people from white to blue. I'm not sure whose bright idea the "running around the mat a few times followed by jumping jacks and pushups" + random few techniques of the week + rolling was, but it's a really suboptimal way of getting beginners up to speed.

On the other hand, a very brief warmup (in favor of more grappling-specific training) is favorable in a lot of ways. I'm not necessarily advocating 'running around a few times + random techniques' but when our school switched from a 15-18 minute warmup to a 4-5 minute warmup, I loved it because we were now extra fresh for positional drilling, positional sparring, and live sparring. I'm not here to get better at cardio training or non-grappling movements. Strength training is useful, but should be done on your own time, not during BJJ time.

A neighboring school does a 45 minute warmup, full blown TMA crap with counting each rep in Japanese. Their guys are KILLERS at doing situps, phenomenally strong abs, and 'face inside, face outside' ? forget about it they could do that all day! But it doesn't help them from getting their asses whooped by lower belts from schools that focus more on rolling than warming up.

Cool down, I'm totally on board. After training, static stretching is great. But before training, the way to go is a light warmup that serves more as an active, static stretch than a muscular workout.
 
Man when I started there was no such thing. It was sink or swim. I think it's great and I wish my schools had that option back in the day.

I like sink or swim, but a lot of guys end up bailing because they get worked so bad. I'm kind of the opposite. I go easy on lesser skilled guys, but do not mind at all when better guys take me to the bank.
 
On the other hand, a very brief warmup (in favor of more grappling-specific training) is favorable in a lot of ways. I'm not necessarily advocating 'running around a few times + random techniques' but when our school switched from a 15-18 minute warmup to a 4-5 minute warmup, I loved it because we were now extra fresh for positional drilling, positional sparring, and live sparring. I'm not here to get better at cardio training or non-grappling movements. Strength training is useful, but should be done on your own time, not during BJJ time.

A neighboring school does a 45 minute warmup, full blown TMA crap with counting each rep in Japanese. Their guys are KILLERS at doing situps, phenomenally strong abs, and 'face inside, face outside' ? forget about it they could do that all day! But it doesn't help them from getting their asses whooped by lower belts from schools that focus more on rolling than warming up.

Cool down, I'm totally on board. After training, static stretching is great. But before training, the way to go is a light warmup that serves more as an active, static stretch than a muscular workout.

I pretty much agree with all of that. Warmup should be just that, enough to warm you up, not a repeat of your middle school gym class calisthenics from years ago. I also like the idea of doing grappling specific movements at the end of warmups, because most people aren't going to practice a ton of upas, shrimps, and sitouts on their own. Technique drilling needs to follow some sort of logical plan for beginners, not whatever random move coach feels like showing that day. And way more time needs to be spent on positional sparring. It's much more valuable to beginners to spend more time learning to escape or maintain specific positions against a fully resisting opponent, than live sparring from day one and spending 100% of your time getting dominated under the mount of everyone else who has been training longer.
 
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