How legit was Jesse Glover?

[Frode Falch]

Not sure why. But there is something that make him seem more legit then the other original students of Bruce Lee.

Toughts?

 

[AndyMaBobs]

Looks like he uses a lot more resistance during chi sau than I commonly see. I wouldn't want to speak to how legit it is, because it's a style I don't know - but I definitely see more resistance in his demonstrations than I do from Dan Inosanto - who seems knowledgeable but more flashy.

 

[General_Speckz]

Oh, you had to bring up WC again.

I don't understand why they don't just grab each other's hands/arms for control then push away, move into a clinch or takedown, or throw a strike.

Chi sao is an interesting practice, but I don't consider it realistic for combat arts with so much emphasis being on deflecting instead of grabbing.

It's just terrible.

 

[Sinister]

Is it though?



Different hits, but quite similar principals of knowing when to apply resistance, when not to, hand redirection, and getting a hit off it.

There's another trainer here in Vegas, this is two of his students doing drills:



His fighters are undefeated against mine in Amateur bouts. They use a lot of re-direction and deflection, and I've seen them do it to pretty much anyone they spar.

IMO its folly to try and distill an Art down to either terrible examples of it, or a singular thing we may see missing from a video. By this rationale I can provide dozens of examples of why pretty much any art is garbage.

 

[General_Speckz]

Is it though?



Different hits, but quite similar principals of knowing when to apply resistance, when not to, hand redirection, and getting a hit off it.

There's another trainer here in Vegas, this is two of his students doing drills:



His fighters are undefeated against mine in Amateur bouts. They use a lot of re-direction and deflection, and I've seen them do it to pretty much anyone they spar.

IMO its folly to try and distill an Art down to either terrible examples of it, or a singular thing we may see missing from a video. By this rationale I can provide dozens of examples of why pretty much any art is garbage.

I've taken 8 months of wing chun a long time ago so I'm not totally in the dark about it - or basing the stuff entirely on what I garner from a single video.

I think you're right I didn't really think about its value for gloved sports like boxing where you can't grab.

I don't want to go into all of my strong reservations to how they train, though because it drives me bonkers.

Being fairly new to boxing your knowledge, experience, and those training videos are highly appreciated.

Are you implying your fighters are losing to the other trainers fighters because their deflection techniques?

 

[Sinister]

I've taken 8 months of wing chun a long time ago so I'm not totally in the dark about it - or basing the stuff entirely on what I garner from a single video.

I think you're right I didn't really think about its value for gloved sports like boxing where you can't grab.

I don't want to go into all of my strong reservations to how they train, though because it drives me bonkers.

Being fairly new to boxing your knowledge, experience, and those training videos are highly appreciated.

Are you implying your fighters are losing to the other trainers fighters because their deflection techniques?

No, I'm just implying that that trainer is good at what he does. Therefore if he sees value in the techniques, hes not likely mistaken. Also considering he was a top 3 rated Amateur in the World, and a journeyman Pro.

But yes, deflecting and parrying can have a lot of value. The Thais do their fair share of it as well in Muay Thai. I can certainly understand your reservations, finding viable Gung Fu of any type isnt easy.

 

[SandisLL]

For example, deflect straight right and continue with the same hand punch is old stuff, even pre WW2 era.
One of the first beginners drills in soviet boxing from 50 ies too.

A bit more complex part there too looks more suitable to sport than other purposes. That's a bit new stuff.
I don't see there " deadly ", but yes it work.

Okey, deadly, military etc are .....

finding viable Gung Fu of any type isnt easy.

Yes, and they have xxxx styles, definitely many of them have something usable.
The hardest stuff is to research and select ( extract ) techniques what there are usable.

 

[spiderguarda]

Because Jesse Glover learned Bruce Lee’s high pressure version of chi sao. Bruce wrote that one day in class, he was pushing his hands against the school desk and his hands slipped and he explosively jolted forward. It was a Eureka moment for him to apply high pressure on his partners and whenever they gave way, he could explode forward like Glover does. Chi sao tries to develop that sensitivity if someone can be forced or they decide to give way.

It was also said that Bruce couldn’t catch up to his seniors using the traditional sensitive approach and decided this high pressure approach could circumvent his seniors better experienced sensitivity approach.

Glover was said to not like Bruce’s development using fencing to close the distance and high kicks etc. He actually stopped training under Bruce because he believed the modified Wing Chun was very effective.

 

[SandisLL]

This chun should have kicks to middle section too, I think.

 

[Frode Falch]

Oh, you had to bring up WC again.

I don't understand why they don't just grab each other's hands/arms for control then push away, move into a clinch or takedown, or throw a strike.

Chi sao is an interesting practice, but I don't consider it realistic for combat arts with so much emphasis being on deflecting instead of grabbing.

It's just terrible.

Its not terrible. But the amount of time and training it takes to be good at it, make it kinda a waste of time, compared to other tools you can use for in fighting.