How Good Is Bas Ruttnes Striking

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From all comments by fighters and trainers rutten is considered an all time great in mma in regards to his standup; his power/exp/speed are obvious and superior to most guys even now when u compare his prime to thiers.

my question is just how good is his standup in regards to standup fighter in mma or in muay thai kickboxing; as far as guys like hunt, cro cop, mo smith, kit cope, spencer fisher,
etc

he seems to have a very unique style of striking and some very original opinions on what works and what doesn't

any info would be app

thanks in adv
 
Bas Rutten's striking is based on a Kyokushin karate foundation. He stands square to his opponent and believes in using maximum power and speed behind each strike. He doesn't believe in jabs. He uses a left cross instead. I'd consider him to be a brawler and power striker and he can definitely hold his own against the other fighters you mentioned IMO. His style works well for his particular body type and strength but I don't know if it would translate as well to fighters who aren't as powerful. His style may run into problems against a very elusive fighter who knows how to jab properly.
 
yeah i read how he was not a fan of the jab; i was like u must be kidding me it works in everything boxing, kickboxing and mma, if u know when and how to use it..if not its like anything else it won't work.

he seems to know his stuff; but his skillset/phys ability makes his style only eff for guys of a certain athleticism i.e POWER/SPEED/EXP
 
SOMEONE LIKE A GUY MEZGER OR PULVEr or even spencer fisher; their styles are more fundamental and complete based on timing/footing/positioning/leverage and angles, u don't have to have exceptional ability to be eff w/these styles.

same thing in boxing to use roy jones style u have to be very gifted, to use mayweathers cus it is all fundamentals bolstered by incredible ability
 
Bottom line if you arent using your standup to knock fools out in mma your striking is not complete...;)

Because of takedowns and superior grapplers the standup needs to be aimed to hurt, intimidate and end fights.
 
Bas's striking is among the elite in MMA and he was damn good in MT.

In Muay Thai he sported a 14-1 record. His first 14 fights he won 13 of them by KO in the first round and the other one by KO in the second round. He was ranked in the top 5 by the International Muay Thai Assocation (there use to be magazine articles on his site that showed this for the doubters).

His only loss is to Frank Lobman who was a beast in Muay Thai and also Bas wasn't properly trained for this fight. Training only two weeks and being in jail prior to the match is not a smart thing to do.

His conditioning is PHENOMENAL. He was known to get stronger as fights progressed and was one of the first strikers to really crosstrain.

I know Maurice Smith is one of the guys you mentioned above, just look at their fights to see the difference in level in their striking. Maurice actually took Bas down in their fight when the two were standing up with each other.

I would say his striking is better then everyone in that list except for maybe CC as that would have to be a matter of preference to which style you prefer.

If you ever watch any of his instructionals the way he breaks down his style is amazing. He REALLY understands striking, that is one of the reasons he is so sought after as a coach and trainer.
 
In Muay Thai he sported a 14-1 record. His first 14 fights he won 13 of them by KO in the first round and the other one by KO in the second round. He was ranked in the top 5 by the International Muay Thai Assocation (there use to be magazine articles on his site that showed this for the doubters).
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I love bas rutten but let's get something straight:

Bas was never a world class muay thai fighter (meaning top 5 in any meaningful rankings). There is an alphabet soup of "international orgs" and just because he was ranked in one of those , it doesn't mean that he was highly ranked MT fighter.
 
Bas had some sick power. He was a refined brawler in a lot of ways but he had a good chin and a lot of heart. No jabs as others have said, he invented the school of only power shots back when Liddell was still wrestling.

that said the level of striking in MMA back then was reeeeally bad, which made Bas look better than he was. He never had the technical skill of an Anderson Silva or a Cro Cop.
 
bas is an extremely competent striker, He has excellent muay Thai. He was not world class in Muay Thai but lets not underestimate what "excellent" Muay thai is. He was and is very good.
Calling him a refined brawler is rather silly in my opinion. As for Cro Cop having better technical skill, thats comical. Cro Cop has a great left high kick. Cro Cop does not have the combos, the set ups, or the clinch game that Bas has.
 
Cro Cop's striking has deteriorated since his K-1 days but he certainly had some nice hand combos and if all he has is a left high kick his set-up is still obviously very good. This is ignoring the left cross which broke Sapp's eye socket, Fedor's nose, and Wanderlei's face.

Also note that Mirko has faced much higher level strikers in MMA than Bas did.
 
Zombles said:
Cro Cop's striking has deteriorated since his K-1 days but he certainly had some nice hand combos and if all he has is a left high kick his set-up is still obviously very good. This is ignoring the left cross which broke Sapp's eye socket, Fedor's nose, and Wanderlei's face.

Also note that Mirko has faced much higher level strikers in MMA than Bas did.
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I don't really think Cro Cop's striking has deteriorated, but moreso that MMA is a different ballgame then K-1 is, and that Cro Cop has had to adapt to it.
 
blanko said:
I love bas rutten but let's get something straight:

Bas was never a world class muay thai fighter (meaning top 5 in any meaningful rankings). There is an alphabet soup of "international orgs" and just because he was ranked in one of those , it doesn't mean that he was highly ranked MT fighter.
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I told you exactly what his record was, what he was ranked in, and what org. However you take that is your decision.

Had Bas not left Muay Thai early on to pursue a career in MMA, I am sure he would have become a champ and more widely known and regarded in the sport of Muay Thai. It is like if Peter Aerts chose to leave Muay Thai early on and become an MMA star, he would still have world-class Muay Thai, however he would not have the recognition from it that he has now.
 
ManassaMauler said:
Bas Rutten's striking is based on a Kyokushin karate foundation. He stands square to his opponent and believes in using maximum power and speed behind each strike. He doesn't believe in jabs. He uses a left cross instead. I'd consider him to be a brawler and power striker and he can definitely hold his own against the other fighters you mentioned IMO. His style works well for his particular body type and strength but I don't know if it would translate as well to fighters who aren't as powerful. His style may run into problems against a very elusive fighter who knows how to jab properly.
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If you consider Bas a brawler, you are missing so much of his technique and the way he set things up. Also, his stance allows for maximum vision, the ability to block leg kicks, sprawl (unfortunately he did not learn sprawling until later on). and he does use jabs, just power jabs.

His style is great for MMA as you don't want to be throwing fast stingy weak jabs against a wrestler who is going to use them to time you to take you down.

Also, to whoever said Bas is not as technical as A. Silva or CC, I would say he is just as technical. If you go back and watch his fights, he will explain how he set up his KOs, many of which were with open handed palm strikes.
 
devante said:
SOMEONE LIKE A GUY MEZGER OR PULVEr or even spencer fisher; their styles are more fundamental and complete based on timing/footing/positioning/leverage and angles, u don't have to have exceptional ability to be eff w/these styles.

same thing in boxing to use roy jones style u have to be very gifted, to use mayweathers cus it is all fundamentals bolstered by incredible ability
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If you think Guy Mezger or Spencer Fisher has a more complete style then Bas Rutten, you must not know anything about striking. I don't mean any offense but their styles are NOWHERE near Bas's level. Just go watch Bas's fight with Guy where Guy gets knocked around the ring as soon as the match starts. And Spencer Fisher, Spencer Fisher?!?!?! What has he done to warrant having a more complete style then Bas?
 
devante said:
From all comments by fighters and trainers rutten is considered an all time great in mma in regards to his standup; his power/exp/speed are obvious and superior to most guys even now when u compare his prime to thiers.

my question is just how good is his standup in regards to standup fighter in mma or in muay thai kickboxing; as far as guys like hunt, cro cop, mo smith, kit cope, spencer fisher,
etc

he seems to have a very unique style of striking and some very original opinions on what works and what doesn't

any info would be app

thanks in adv
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did you say kit cope ???? or Spencer Fisher??? LOL

thoses guys are NOWHERE near bas' level in striking

anyway, the top guys like hunt and crocop are untouchables

basically bas is just a step under thoses guys, just a step under the aerts of this world and in pure striking it means a lot (ie. in a k1 fight it means a KO) but in an mma fight he could handle his own against them.

but he trained ground fighting too, if he trained only standup all his life he could have been a great in k1 even if he's a little small for k1 HW standards.

moreover he knew guys like peter aerts, so training with him can only help you
 
WHEN I COMMENTED ABOUT PULVER/FISHER/MEZGER-i meant that those guys style seem to be ok for the majority of people don't have a physical skillset to do what rutten does eff; he has a very unique phys skillset (i.e. power/exp/durability/speed/fluidity).

most fighters-normal people can't fight like him or use that style; unless u have standout ability (physical), guys like mezger/fisher/pulver, those guys phy ability is not anything special and their style is conducivee to guys w/out that natural ability, but need to be tech eff and effective.

not saying they are better than him-just their styles are more conducive to the majority of people/fighters- HOW MANY PEOPLE CAN APPLY BAS STYLE OF STANDUP; about as many people who can apply roy jones or manny pacquiao.
 
In MMA Bas Rutten was one of the top strikers of all time no doubt about it.
Muay Thai Kaman>Rutten.
Seriously though I couldnt see him having much success in K-1 he'd beat all the nobodies in K-1 but no the elite.
 
there is a diff in eff and actual skill-an i was not clear on bas's actual skillset tech/style wise

also another example as far as styles
rampage standup anyone can do its just fundamental boxing-more eff cus of his phys ability, but just basic bosxing

liddel's style not everyone can do cus u have to have his unique power durability and timing
 
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