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Hiroshi Tanahashi

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So, despite it being 10 months or so behind the times, I look forward with glee every week to AXSTV's NJPW on Fridays. Highlight of the wrestling week for me. Tanahashi's a big part of the shows focus and for obvious reasons. I've heard Mauro make the comparison between Tanahashi and HBK numerous times over the shows run...and frankly I just don't see it. Other than the white & red scheme to their trunks, I'm just not getting the comparison. Every time I see Tanahashi, I'm reminded of Randy Savage. Not his character of course, but the way he's built and the way he moves are very Savage like IMHO. Anybody else have a take on this?
 
Get this shitty overseas indy fed shit outta my sub forum



my job here is done
 
Just for that I'm going to sticky it.
 
His match against Nakamura at the one G1 event is amazing, guy has been on fire for a while.
 
Huge fan of Tanahashi but, I too, see more Savage than HBK in him in the wrestling department although he does look like an Asian HBK from first glance.
 
So it's not just me.
 
I always enjoy his matches though I am more of an Okada fan.:)
 
Tanahashi isn't like HBK, he just said one time that HBK was one of his favorite wrestlers. He gets a bunch of stupid comparisons even though he's one of the best workers of all time. I can see where you get the Macho Man though because he has some things that are over the top like his air guitar solos and his entrances are awesome.
 
His match against Nakamura at the one G1 event is amazing, guy has been on fire for a while.

He's been one of the best workers in the world for about 4-5 years. He's this era's Ric Flair but because he's japanese he's not noticed as much. Sucks really.
 
Tanahashi is awesome. Anyone who says any different is wrong. I realize it's a matter of opinion, but that opinion would be wrong.
 
He's been one of the best workers in the world for about 4-5 years. He's this era's Ric Flair but because he's japanese he's not noticed as much. Sucks really.

correction - John Cena is this era's Ric Flair, and Tanahashi is Japan's John Cena.

also, Okada.... though of that roster the real winner is Nakamura.
 
correction - John Cena is this era's Ric Flair, and Tanahashi is Japan's John Cena.

also, Okada.... though of that roster the real winner is Nakamura.

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Once Tanahashi beat Mutoh in 2010 (iirc) he transcended into the best worker on the planet. While he might not always be wrestler of the year you can make an argument for him every year. You can't do that Cena at any point. The only person alive who was more impressive was Daniel Bryan during his indy stint.

Nakamura was awesome when he switched to his strong style gimmick but I don't remember it taking off as well as Tanahashi after he beat Mutoh. Okada is very recent too but hes up there with great workers.

NJPW kinda hit the jackpot with 3 top tier guys all at once.
 
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Once Tanahashi beat Mutoh in 2010 (iirc) he transcended into the best worker on the planet. While he might not always be wrestler of the year you can make an argument for him every year. You can't do that Cena at any point. The only person alive who was more impressive was Daniel Bryan during his indy stint.

Nakamura was awesome when he switched to his strong style gimmick but I don't remember it taking off as well as Tanahashi after he beat Mutoh. Okada is very recent too but hes up there with great workers.

NJPW kinda hit the jackpot with 3 top tier guys all at once.

i give cena the flair edge because he's been on top longer. you said tanahashi sparked in 2010 after beating mutoh. cena has legit been on top for 10+ years.. tanahashi is half of that. winner= cena.
 
I've been a Tanahashi fan for 10 years now. Dude has always been legit. I really need to get back in the puro swing and get caught up because I have missed some great matches.
 
i give cena the flair edge because he's been on top longer. you said tanahashi sparked in 2010 after beating mutoh. cena has legit been on top for 10+ years.. tanahashi is half of that. winner= cena.

No, Tanahashi has been legit for a long ass time, but he's been definitively one of if not the best wrestler for the last 5 years. Cena has never had that, even with his 15 championships and being pushed to another freaking solar system.

I've been a Tanahashi fan for 10 years now. Dude has always been legit. I really need to get back in the puro swing and get caught up because I have missed some great matches.

Yes he has, but he wasn't recognized as being as good as he is and he kinda put it over the top after Mutoh put him over.
 
He's been wrestling as long as Cena and he's been a much better wrestler throughout his entire career if we are talking just wrestling.

Became a huge fan of Tanahashi circa 2005/2006. This was right around the time Lesnar went to New Japan as well. He's been one of the top wrestlers ever since. Keep in mind, this guy also turned around NJPW's fortune as well.

PS, the man is also very smart in his understanding of pro wrestling. I'm a huge fan. He's this generation's Misawa.
 
Take some time to read what Tanahashi wrote:

McDonalization of Pro-wrestling

During my U-30 IWGP Champion reign (2003-2005), I used to criticize wrestling styles that involve excessive use of moves as “McDonalization of Wrestling”. Here, I'm talking about wrestling that you can readily enjoy like fast-food. Type of wrestling where you throw in moves after moves, and make spots that will make the crowd on their feet as much as possible, so that the fans can enjoy them conveniently and efficiently.

As a result, wrestlers and matches start to lack in their color or individuality. In the end, there will be more wrestlers with same moves resulting in same kind of matches.

When you think of fast-food, it has its benefit for being simple, but in the long run, it has its downside as well.

As opposed to the “McDonalization of wrestling”, I tried to make every move matter… and constructed matches in style that has “introduction, development, turn and conclusion”. That may be one of the reasons why I looked out of place during that period in NJPW.

And at that time, I didn’t have what it takes to convey my intention to the crowd. Yet I had the ideal of “What a match should look like” from long ago, so I never had a doubt in what I was doing.

I wanted to give attention to the “space” in between my moves. If I throw in moves after moves, the crowd will be deprived of their opportunity to enjoy those “space” between the moves. The kind of “space” that the famous Ric Flair created in his matches. And when they are lost, you fail to give audience the aftertaste of each move. The beauty of pro-wrestling will be lost forever.

Pro-wrestling is about dealing with mannerism. As the chairman of BUSHIROAD (owner of NJPW) Takaaki Kidani always say, “Entertainment is done for when people are bored with the product”. And I agree with that. The more progress “McDonalization of wrestling” make, the faster fans will lose interest in the product. The fans will lose their expectation for the coming product in the future.

As for mannerism, there is a case when a certain move is sublimated from an ordinary “cliché” to a level of “art”. For example, I consider moves like Inoki’s Enzugiri and sequence where Ric Flair is thrown off the top rope, to be art.
It’s a test of endurance with the fans until it is established as their favorite routine. You have to keep on doing it to a point where the fans beg “I want to see Flair thrown off the top rope!”

When you perform a new move, people will be confused or not react at all at first. But you can’t just give up there. You must be patient until it is established. I underwent an emotional conflict, but I kept on going with the style I believed in.

Why I chose High Fly Flow as my finisher

In 2006, I started using a new finisher, which is now known as High Fly Flow. The reason I started using this move has a lot to do with getting booed day in day out at the time. I knew I had to change the way I think. Critics are going to criticize me for whatever I do. Then I should care less about the critics and care more about spreading pro-wrestling to people who has never seen it before.

“Wrestling that the first-timers can enjoy.”

And when that theme was set in my mind, I thought

“I need a finisher that leaves impact to the first timers. A move that you can imagine the pain.”

A flying move will do. If a 220lb man flies off from the top rope and throws his weight on the opponent with speed, it would be easier to imagine the “pain”. This comprehensibility was important.

From a core fan’s perspective, the move might lack in impact compared to “head-first suplex” or “kicking or punching someone in the face”. But I set a high value on my finisher being “Painful move that connects to people”.

Why wrestlers turned to dangerous moves

What stood in the way when I think about “Wrestling that women and kids can enjoy” is an exchange of dangerous moves.

I have long been claiming that “Pro-wrestling is a competition of winning three counts from the opponent, and it is by no means a ‘stunning contest’ where you stir up the crowd with series of dangerous moves.”

When I had the chance to fight in other promotions, I got worried watching exchange of dangerous moves on the apron and head-first moves outside the ring, which even seemed way too dangerous from a wrestler’s perspective. And since then, I’ve been raising an alarm at these actions.

When wrestlers turn to dangerous moves, the fans will be immune to them. An exchange of normal moves wouldn’t be enough to excite the fans, and wrestlers will turn to even more dangerous moves. Both the wrestlers and the viewers will be desensitized, leading the former to be driven in to the corner. Exchange of dangerous moves just keeps on escalating.

Punching the opponent until he coughs up blood, dropping the opponent head-first with a suplex he can’t take bump to… You must put an end to the never-ending spiral of dangerous moves.

From a core fan’s perspective, the move might lack in impact compared to “head-first suplex” or “kicking or punching someone in the face”. But I set a high value on my finisher being “Painful move that connects to people”.

And they are usually babyface vs babyface matches that tend to have no theme and result in exchange of dangerous moves for the sake of getting crowd reaction. And the rise of MMA also had effect on excessive use of dangerous moves. Wrestlers thought they had to appeal to the fans that wrestling is as intense as MMA.
But wrestling is supposed to be exciting in more other ways. From the viewer’s perspective, you can’t tell which to root for if you see two men in the same black pants with same black hair on the ring. The matchup is an un-friendly one for the first-timers.

And if you look at matches where I face Toru Yano and Iizuka, the crowd reacts really well in any venue. They can tell at first glance that I’m the good guy and that they’re the bad guys. The comprehensibility of appearance is really important, and pro-wrestling must value those points.
 
i give cena the flair edge because he's been on top longer. you said tanahashi sparked in 2010 after beating mutoh. cena has legit been on top for 10+ years.. tanahashi is half of that. winner= cena.

Tanahashi had 2 or 3 HW reigns before he went over Mutoh... He's been a to player since 2006 when he won the IWGP title against Giant Bernard aka Albert.

He was on top basically as long as Cena. So I don't get what you're trying to argue.
 
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