Hapkido?

[Judoka89]

What are your opinions on the korean martial art of Hapkido? Effectiveness? For street? For MMA also?

 

[krnguy03]

i dont know man.. in hap ki do the moves resemble aikido.. it is a soft art... not really used for offensive fighting... but ive seen incredible feats of people who are masters of hapkido..

 

[Brazilian HKD]

i dont know man.. in hap ki do the moves resemble aikido.. it is a soft art... not really used for offensive fighting... but ive seen incredible feats of people who are masters of hapkido..

you have to diferenciate the hkd used for demonstrations

used for self defense

and used for full contact hkd tournaments

http://www.pro-hapkido.com/Portals/0/Trailer.mpg




if you get a gracie self defense techniques you will get similar techniques that are hardly used for sport aplications

but most hkd places are bullshido without any real contact at all even in korea, thanks to the incident of the korean president being murdered by a hkd guy long time ago...

most of the hkd "masters" are actually guys from tkd who earned by political reasons the master degree in hkd

there are a few legitimate masters who teach exclusively in hkd, and even fewer that teach with full contact sparring

 

[TaebownzBJJ]

Wow, I saw a freaking armbar in there. Didn't realize HKD had that stuff.

 

[Brazilian HKD]

Wow, I saw a freaking armbar in there. Didn't realize HKD had that stuff.

actually it has

one of the first students of choi, the hkd founder was ctually a judoca

not all styles has this influence, but most of hkd styles which has armbars and groundwork are actually from old school judo

 

[demonx]

but most of hkd styles which has armbars and groundwork are actually from old school judo

That s a whole heap of un-informed crap. I'm not bagging you, just te person who told you.

I am a Hapkido Black belt and trained for many years under a traditional style (the more hardcore) hapkido association with regular contact with Korean Grandmasters.

The reason Hapkido has "armbars" and all sorts of other locks found in BJJ and other grappling styles has nothing to do with Judo.

Hapkido is a decendant of Aiki Jiu Jitsu. BJJ is a decendant of the same art. Of course they are completely different styles, but that is because at one stage down the family tree the split up in different directions and took on another form.

The styles of Hapkido that you speak of that dont lock etc (no armbars etc) are the bullshit Taekwondo people that learnt a few wrist locks and opened Hapkido schools and fucked up the honour of Hapkido.

As far as hapkido for self defence - its very similar to Krav Maga. Its a military style martial art but also has lots of traditional bullshit that is a waste of time.

Hapkido for mma - forget it.

I have passed on my hapkido training and now train mainly boxing and BJJ. But I do not regret training Hapkido.

 

[xinster]

That s a whole heap of un-informed crap. I'm not bagging you, just te person who told you.

I am a Hapkido Black belt and trained for many years under a traditional style (the more hardcore) hapkido association with regular contact with Korean Grandmasters.

The reason Hapkido has "armbars" and all sorts of other locks found in BJJ and other grappling styles has nothing to do with Judo.

Hapkido is a decendant of Aiki Jiu Jitsu. BJJ is a decendant of the same art. Of course they are completely different styles, but that is because at one stage down the family tree the split up in different directions and took on another form.

The styles of Hapkido that you speak of that dont lock etc (no armbars etc) are the bullshit Taekwondo people that learnt a few wrist locks and opened Hapkido schools and fucked up the honour of Hapkido.

As far as hapkido for self defence - its very similar to Krav Maga. Its a military style martial art but also has lots of traditional bullshit that is a waste of time.

Hapkido for mma - forget it.

I have passed on my hapkido training and now train mainly boxing and BJJ. But I do not regret training Hapkido.

uh, ok so what is in it exactly again? lol

 

[Gregster]

My instructor, having gotten his 2nd Dan in TKD under a genuine Korean-style curriculum (he was one of his intructors' first students when he hopped off the boat and opened his dojang) has knew quite a bit of HKD. It served him extremely well during his doorman/bouncing days when we were in college; the vast majority of his many encounters with unruly, pugnacious drunks that turned physical resulted in him either a) getting them under control using HKD or b) just punching them out.

 

[ryouboard]

Just to clarify on the history of Hapkido.

Martial arts historians usually credit Choi, Yong-Sul as the founder of the art. Choi learned Aikijiujitsu in Japan. Aikijiujitsu is a derivative of the traditional jiujitsu that was taught in Japan from the feudal times until the end of WWII. Aikido founder, Morihei Ueshiba was a student of Aikijiujitsu. And a lot of Hapkido's joint locks, manipulations, and grappling on the ground came from this foundation.

Choi returned to Korea and taught a Yudo (Judo) first degree black belt named Suh, Bok-Sup. Suh was the first student Choi taught and he added to the art by incorporating the throws and control of the opponent as found in Judo. (Just a note here. Judo is actually a martial art sport that branched off from traditional jiujitsu. So it's like two branches from jiujitsu coming together again.)

However, Hapkido is not only a grappling art. It incorporated striking (including the trademark Korean kicks of Taekyon) due to the influence of Kim, Moo-Hyun, one of the first students under Choi and Suh.

Another influential figure in the creation of the art is Ji, Han-Jae. Ji studied under Choi at his dojang. And then he went on to learn some more fighting methods from various styles and teachers, including "Taoist Lee" from whom he learned traditional Taekyon and weapons such as the bo staff and the short stick.

The problem with Hapkido is that after the two main founders (Choi, Yong-Sul and Ji, Han Jae), the style branched off as the students of these masters incorporated their own styles and added what they felt like adding. So today, you may see Hapkido schools that teach a "harder" style incorporating a lot more striking and fixed blocking and then down the block, you may see a "softer" style where it looks closer to modern Aikido.

As for effectiveness of the art, it depends on who you learn from, but the art itself is definitely effective. Ji, Han-Jae trained the Korean CIA and the Secret Service (one of his top students, as the head of the CIA, assassinated the then president of Korea which brought disgrace to Ji and the art for a while). Ji was brought to the United States by the Pentagon in order to train members of all the different forces. And I have read (as in the post above) testamonials on the effectiveness of the art by many bouncers.

Personally, I've used standing joint manipulations against untrained people very successfully. I have not needed to test its effectiveness against trained martial artists of other styles, so I don't know. But I do think it's still helpful. As for MMA, Hapkido by itself won't help you much (it is mixed martial arts after all). But if you're training to fight for sport in a cage or ring, I'd say you'd probably want to spend your time training in martial arts that are more geared for it, like boxing or Muay Thai.

 

[xinster]

Also, in Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance, one of Scorpion's styles was Hapkido.


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[Brazilian HKD]

That s a whole heap of un-informed crap. I'm not bagging you, just te person who told you.

I am a Hapkido Black belt and trained for many years under a traditional style (the more hardcore) hapkido association with regular contact with Korean Grandmasters.

The reason Hapkido has "armbars" and all sorts of other locks found in BJJ and other grappling styles has nothing to do with Judo.

Hapkido is a decendant of Aiki Jiu Jitsu. BJJ is a decendant of the same art. Of course they are completely different styles, but that is because at one stage down the family tree the split up in different directions and took on another form.

The styles of Hapkido that you speak of that dont lock etc (no armbars etc) are the bullshit Taekwondo people that learnt a few wrist locks and opened Hapkido schools and fucked up the honour of Hapkido.

As far as hapkido for self defence - its very similar to Krav Maga. Its a military style martial art but also has lots of traditional bullshit that is a waste of time.

Hapkido for mma - forget it.

I have passed on my hapkido training and now train mainly boxing and BJJ. But I do not regret training Hapkido.

actually i am a hkb bb too, and train under a korean grandmaster


do a search about Suh, Bok Sup, choi's first stundent...formerly a judoka, like it or not, is documented

about hkd for mma


some frineds of mine did pretty well in vale tudo(not really mma, but...) in sao paulo brazil

actually we train in vale tudo categories, with headbutts and elbows soccer kicks allowed

search some events and clarify yourself

even in korea, search the spirit mc 2 tournament

the middlewheight categiry was won by a hkd guy, na mu jin

circuito de lutas is another great event, were you can see famous fighters like pele and wandy starting from there
and some fights in sao bento, hkd guys vs some mt/bjj guys (sometimes the hkd guy won, sometimes the mt/bjj guys won)

but you are right somewhat

hkd is not made for mma, my point is taht it was used pretty well in one of the most hardcore proven grounds:

the brazilian vale tudo rings

 

[blanko]

as for HKD vs Aikido.. IIRC the hapkido that i have seen or have been exposed to "engaged" more than Aikido, meaning they will not wait for you to grab/punch/come at you but they will grab your wrist and try to lock you first.

 

[demonx]

as for HKD vs Aikido.. IIRC the hapkido that i have seen or have been exposed to "engaged" more than Aikido, meaning they will not wait for you to grab/punch/come at you but they will grab your wrist and try to lock you first.

When people ask me what the difference between Aikido and Hapkido is, the easiest way for me to explain is that Aikido is like a passive defence, wheras Hapkido is like a vicious attack - however they use similar anatomical theories.

actually i am a hkb bb too, and train under a korean grandmaster

Just out of curiosity, who was the Korean you trained under?

I trained primarily under the "Kim" family. Was awarded Black belt by Grandmaster Sung Su Kim who is based in South Korea. Other Koreans that I trained with that influenced my Hapkido were Grandmaster Jeong Seo Lee and Master Juang Jin. Both of those were also based in South Korea and are mega badd arses.

Grand Master Lee is the biggest korean I have ever seen six foot something and built like a brick shithouse. You may have read about his Dojang in Korea. It's nicknamed the Blood house or something like that and most of the Koreans are afraid to train with him cause he just sends everone to hospital.

When my instructor was training with him Korea for the first time the guy broke someones wrist in a class just to prove a point. Also this Lee guy took my instructor on a tour of the local Hapkido clubs, and when Lee walked into the Dojangs, everyone just cleared off the mats. He has a reputation and they all stay clear. I video taped a few of our training sessions and he's a really nice guy, it's best just to not get on the wrong side I guess!

 

[Falked]

wild

 

[ryouboard]

Just out of curiosity, who was the Korean you trained under?

I trained primarily under the "Kim" family.

I thought this was funny considering that about 50% of Koreans are Kims. (OK, I exaggerate...more like 49.9%) :icon_chee

 

[Tommy Seoul]

What are your opinions on the korean martial art of Hapkido? Effectiveness? For street? For MMA also?

No and no. I lived in Korea and Hapkido is about as effective as Tae Kwon Do, i.e., not effective at all. Loiseau is the only guy I know in MMA proudly working from a TKD background. All of the Korean fighters either came up in Judo or wrestling.

 

[blanko]

brazilian HKD,
name one hkd based fighter now that's doing well in sprit mc

 

[Judoka89]

Wow those are some pretty wild personal accounts.

Hapkido LOOKS effective. It's just the McDojangs that are the problem....

To Blanko:

Check for yourself. www.spiritmc.org. If we told you, would you even know the guy's name? It's in Korean but let me just tell you right now that many guys in Spirit MC list HKD as their main style and many of them hav ewinning records.

 

[Judoka89]

Hapkido in Korea also has a fearsome reputation and it is associated with gangsters a lot.

A martial art like that seems worth a try.

Hapkido in Korea has a serious, adult audience, unlike TKD... which is 90% 12-and-under kids.

 

[BreakFree]

I trained in hapkido for a while. It seemed very effective: you have everything judo has, wrestling and muay thai. All around every effective. But no ground game. Its good if you want to learn to defend yourself quickly. If you want more out of the martial arts, stick with BJJ for the long run. But regarding standing fighting, hapkido has more weapons to offer.