International Hamas launches surprise attack on Israel; Israel has declared a state of war. Vol. VII

moreorless87 said:
I think thats a pretty fundamental misjudgement of the situation though, viewing Jewish Israel's as a disempowered threatened group when what we've seen makes it clear they are the vastly more powerful group who are able to inflict vastly more death and suffering on the Palestinians.
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Siver! said:
If that's what you believe, you are a victim of brain washing.

Which explains a lot.
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Hog-train said:
That's Israeli propaganda that they've been constantly saying for years, so some people end up believing it. It as simplistic as people believing "They hate us for our freedom!" It's that stupid.

It gives them justification to continually occupying the people and putting them through checkpoints and poverty for decades. And constantly stealing more and more land in the West Bank.
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October 7th proved their intentions. If they had the power, they would wipe out the Jews in Israel. I understand that wasn’t true in the 1920s but it is clearly true today. So who is brainwashed if a clear demonstration wasn’t enough for you?

That’s not even addressing the fact that you liberals are supporting one of the most regressive, human rights abusing groups out there.
 
Blayt7hh said:
October 7th proved their intentions. If they had the power, they would wipe out the Jews in Israel. I understand that wasn’t true in the 1920s but it is clearly true today. So who is brainwashed if a clear demonstration wasn’t enough for you?

That’s not even addressing the fact that you liberals are supporting one of the most regressive, human rights abusing groups out there.
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Again.... and this can only be said so many times.... HAMAS is not Palestine.

Your inability to separate people out shows you have completely dehumanised them thanks to this brain washing.
 
Blayt7hh said:
October 7th proved their intentions. If they had the power, they would wipe out the Jews in Israel. I understand that wasn’t true in the 1920s but it is clearly true today. So who is brainwashed if a clear demonstration wasn’t enough for you?

That’s not even addressing the fact that you liberals are supporting one of the most regressive, human rights abusing groups out there.
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  • "Israel is a country that has no place on our land. We must remove it because it constitutes a security, military and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation. We are not ashamed to say this."
  • "We must teach Israel a lesson, and we will do it again and again. The Al-Aqsa Deluge is just the first time, and there will be a second, a third, a fourth. Will we have to pay a price? Yes, and we are ready to pay it. We are called a nation of martyrs, and we are proud to sacrifice martyrs."
  • "Nobody should blame us for the things we do. On 7 October, 10 October, one-millionth October, everything we do is justified."
 
Siver! said:
Again.... and this can only be said so many times.... HAMAS is not Palestine.

Your inability to separate people out shows you have completely dehumanised them thanks to this brain washing.
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they are NOT hamas.

the majority support hamas. but they are NOT hamas.

When asked about their own preferences for the party that should be in control in the Gaza Strip after the war, 59% (64% in the West Bank and 52% in the Gaza Strip) selected Hamas;
49% (compared to 54% three months ago) believe that Hamas is the most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people today while 17% (compared to 13% three months ago) believe that Fateh under the leadership of Abbas is more deserving;
45% support and 52% oppose the idea of a two-state solution

to be clear, they are NOT hamas. but it's comical to pretend they are looked at as a rogue terror group by gazan's (or those in the WB).
 
Blayt7hh said:
October 7th proved their intentions. If they had the power, they would wipe out the Jews in Israel. I understand that wasn’t true in the 1920s but it is clearly true today. So who is brainwashed if a clear demonstration wasn’t enough for you?
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You do know Israeli settlers and the military have been violently attacking Palestinians and forcing them off their land before 10/7 right? The UN says it was averaging around 3 per day BEFORE 10/7. Now there have been 794 settler attacks since 10/7. And this is in the West Bank.

Do not support Hamas nor their attack, but radicalization is what you get when you treat people like this for decades.

You seem to be under the impression Israel was innocently minding their business and they got attacked for no reason at all. Which is baffling that you think that. Do you have any idea of the history before 10/7?

For decades, Israel has been keeping the Palestinians in poverty, restricting their movement with daily checkpoints just to go to work, diverting Palestinian natural resources such as water and agricultural land for settlement use, literally kicking people out of their homes for settlers, maintains an illegal air, sea and land blockade, restricts access to CLEAN water (Israeli access to water is 4 times greater), restrict electricity use, etc.


Blayt7hh said:
That’s not even addressing the fact that you liberals are supporting one of the most regressive, human rights abusing groups out there.
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This could literally describe Israel.
 
Siver! said:
Again.... and this can only be said so many times.... HAMAS is not Palestine.

Your inability to separate people out shows you have completely dehumanised them thanks to this brain washing.
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Palestine is the idea of the country. Hamas is the government of that country. We can mince word all day but in Gaza they rule, they have all the resources and yes they have the general backing of their people. Thinking otherwise is choosing to ignore the truth.
 
Hog-train said:
You do know Israeli settlers and the military have been violently attacking Palestinians and forcing them off their land before 10/7 right?
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You’re not new to this thread. I’ve shared my opinions on the history of the conflict multiple times and no I don’t feel like retreading our way back to the 1920s every time I voice an opinion. I’m starting with October 7th because it is the reason for this invasion that we are talking. Not 1967, not 2006, not 2014.
 
Hog-train said:
You do know Israeli settlers and the military have been violently attacking Palestinians and forcing them off their land before 10/7 right? The UN says it was averaging around 3 per day BEFORE 10/7. Now there have been 794 settler attacks since 10/7. And this is in the West Bank.

Do not support Hamas nor their attack, but radicalization is what you get when you treat people like this for decades.

You seem to be under the impression Israel was innocently minding their business and they got attacked for no reason at all. Which is baffling that you think that. Do you have any idea of the history before 10/7?

For decades, Israel has been keeping the Palestinians in poverty, restricting their movement with daily checkpoints just to go to work, diverting Palestinian natural resources such as water and agricultural land for settlement use, literally kicking people out of their homes for settlers, maintains an illegal air, sea and land blockade, restricts access to CLEAN water (Israeli access to water is 4 times greater), restrict electricity use, etc.




This could literally describe Israel.
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lol.

maybe try to visit israel. you can.
 
Blayt7hh said:
Palestine is the idea of the country. Hamas is the government of that country. We can mince word all day but in Gaza they rule, they have all the resources and yes they have the general backing of their people. Thinking otherwise is choosing to ignore the truth.
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Hamas is not the government of Palestine, though.
 
The_Renaissance said:
100% sounds like the language a distraught little kid would use in situation like this. "Flesh". "Scattered". "Ripped to pieces". Yeah, highly believable language in the context.
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Classy post, coming up with novel ways of being a sociopath: child murdering critical etymology analysis. Bravo.
 
Ryan confronting Biden's spox on Israel hypocrisy on the ICC arrest warrants.

 
Samjj said:
and are not actually contributing to the humanitarian crisis beyond terrible pr
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Funny how when it was hamas is was a horrendous crime and proof of how little fucks hamas gives for Palestinians.

Blocking and destroying aid is Jljust bad pr when down by Israelis..... has zero impact on the humanitarian crisis...


Jfc mam
 
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