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GSP is the GOAT

I see what you're saying, but he was literally the champion.. I think he was at the start of his prime.

It's not a knock on him - Matt Serra wasn't an all-timer but he wasn't some bum either.

But GOATs don't lose to guys like Matt Serra IMO

I really like GSP a lot - not knocking him.
Yes Matt Serra had some very good wins and fought all the top guys of his era
I think he just landed the right shot in that fight. Shit happens.
GSP learned from it and never really came close to losing again.
 
Yes Matt Serra had some very good wins and fought all the top guys of his era
I think he just landed the right shot in that fight. Shit happens.
GSP learned from it and never really came close to losing again.

Yep totally. It doesn't take away from his overall career. He beat him in a rematch rather easily as well.

It is just what I'd say to remove him from overall GOAT conversation. He can be the GOAT of WW or the GOAT of Canadian MMA. But not overall MMA GOAT IMO
 
Yep totally. It doesn't take away from his overall career. He beat him in a rematch rather easily as well.

It is just what I'd say to remove him from overall GOAT conversation. He can be the GOAT of WW or the GOAT of Canadian MMA. But not overall MMA GOAT IMO
Who's your GOAT then?
 

Mind Over Matter

As for St. Pierre, he sought to sharpen his fighting mentality by putting stark focus on something only the special ones do - becoming psychologically bulletproof. As a kid, Georges trained in Kyokushin Karate to deal with school bullies. As a result he became enthralled by the idea of being the strongest kid in school, even holding the chin-up record at his high school, École Pierre-Bédard. This interest carried over into college, where Georges studied kinesiology. He was a black belt in Kyokushin by the age of 12, and modeled himself after Jean-Claude Van Damme. I think we can all agree that getting a black belt at the age of 12 is a little concerning, particularly in the age of McDojos. In St. Pierre’s case, though, we can rest our little heads at night knowing that the black belt he received wasn’t the result of a bribe. In his late teens he started training in wrestling, something he had never done before. I repeat, he had NEVER wrestled a day in his life. Georges worked with Victor Zilberman and Guivi Sissaouri extensively, the latter of which captured multiple world championships in freestyle wrestling, even winning a silver medal at the 1996 Olympics. By the time of St. Pierre’s debut in MMA in 2002, he was regularly outwrestling guys who had been wrestling for years. He even used his wrestling against Justin Bruckmann in his second professional fight to win the UCC Welterweight Championship. This was but a narrow glimpse of the man who would form a legacy that even the widest of lenses couldn’t capture.

Not even close.

By Georges’ third professional fight, he was already being cheered on like a superstar. His opponent, Travis Galbraith, was a perfectly respectable fighter on the Canadian scene, going 5-1 and earning a spot in the UCC. The fight results show a win by TKO via elbows, but those weren’t just any elbows. Georges had Travis in side control and was posting his forearm on Travis’s chin, slamming his head to the canvas. So when his head hit the mat, not only was he taking the force of the elbow on his chin, but he was taking the force of the mat on the back of his head. In order to get Travis to the ground, GSP employed an unconventional tactic - a high crotch double leg is common in MMA, but the way he did it is not. The takedown Georges utilized is called a snag double leg. This technique is a bit different from other doubles in the sense that instead of driving forward with your hips and creating an angle, you’re using your head to drive into your opponent’s chest to push them forward, while also pulling their legs towards you, essentially sweeping their feet out from underneath them. What makes this double leg effective for MMA is its lack of set up - it only requires close proximity, as your knee doesn’t need to drive into the ground like it does with traditional wrestling takedowns. This worked perfectly for GSP, who simply caught Galbraith’s kick and used it to grab both legs. Simplicity at its best. Two fights later against Pete Spratt, the kick catcher strikes again. This time in the form of a snatch single leg, followed by complete domination on the ground. Pete standing up only tightened the choke, and GSP got his Goldenpalace.com finish in less than four minutes.
I realize the title of this article gives off the impression that I’m only talking about one particular fight. The problem is when I started writing this article, I just couldn’t stop my wandering brain, and my obsessive nature took over. It isn’t even me typing [write] now. Ultimately I’m a massive fan of Georges St. Pierre, and I think he’s the best fighter in MMA history, and one of the most important supercomputers ever created with the intention of destroying elite cage fighters. I will get to his masterclass over Bisping, but I’ll cover some other big ones first.

The​

Georges IS the Ultimate Fighter. After dominating Pete Spratt, he got a call from the UFC. And boy there were no easy fights in the UFC back then. Karo Parisyan is a hell of a UFC debut for anyone, at any point in his career. 2004 was also Joe Rogan’s peak Karo Parisyan-fandom, and it took him some time to settle in that night and realize just how good GSP was. After Karo aggressively threatened Georges with an armbar, he spent the rest of the first round on his back taking punches and elbows. Halfway through the second round it becomes obvious that St. Pierre isn’t going to magically give the fight to Parisyan, and the latter is simply unable to deal with the top control of Georges. Karo threatens a kimura using a Hikikomi Gaeshi, using his right foot to “hook” GSP’s hips and pull him backwards, flipping him onto his back. Karo’s hopes of winning the fight really ended with this exchange, Parisyan succumbing to the world’s most dangerous supercomputer. I cannot stress just how good Karo Parisyan was during this period of time, and after this loss, he went on a massive run at 170, and the only thing that stopped him from fighting for a title was injuries. What was telling for me in this fight was not only St. Pierre’s complete dominance, but Karo’s inability to overcome his own fear of the takedown. It was completely out of character for him at the time to be inactive on the feet and yet in the last two minutes of the fight, Karo threw almost no strikes and not only lacked the killer instinct of a fighter who needed a finish to win, but lacked the spirit of the Parisyan we came to know and love. That tells me that GSP broke him mentally, and Karo simply could not perform like himself due to that fear.

After obliterating a young and talented Jay Heiron, GSP would face Matt Hughes for the first time. The UFC Welterweight division was looking to crown a new champion after BJ Penn left the organization to fight in K-1. At UFC 50, Georges St. Pierre got his opportunity to be that guy.
 
GSP is GOAT for female fans because he's a fit, handsome man with a French (Canadian) accent and has been proven to go hard 25 minutes without finishing

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My aunt once said she'd watch GSP knitt a sweater.

I dont think she cared at all about how good he was at fighting.
 
Jones failing steroid tests should count as a loss imo. You have to beat the steroid test not just your opponent.

GSP is definitely the goat. I wish we got to see him destroy Khabib.
 
I realize the title of this article gives off the impression that I’m only talking about one particular fight. The problem is when I started writing this article, I just couldn’t stop my wandering brain, and my obsessive nature took over. It isn’t even me typing [write] now. Ultimately I’m a massive fan of Georges St. Pierre, and I think he’s the best fighter in MMA history, and one of the most important supercomputers ever created with the intention of destroying elite cage fighters. I will get to his masterclass over Bisping, but I’ll cover some other big ones first.

The​

Georges IS the Ultimate Fighter. After dominating Pete Spratt, he got a call from the UFC. And boy there were no easy fights in the UFC back then. Karo Parisyan is a hell of a UFC debut for anyone, at any point in his career. 2004 was also Joe Rogan’s peak Karo Parisyan-fandom, and it took him some time to settle in that night and realize just how good GSP was. After Karo aggressively threatened Georges with an armbar, he spent the rest of the first round on his back taking punches and elbows. Halfway through the second round it becomes obvious that St. Pierre isn’t going to magically give the fight to Parisyan, and the latter is simply unable to deal with the top control of Georges. Karo threatens a kimura using a Hikikomi Gaeshi, using his right foot to “hook” GSP’s hips and pull him backwards, flipping him onto his back. Karo’s hopes of winning the fight really ended with this exchange, Parisyan succumbing to the world’s most dangerous supercomputer. I cannot stress just how good Karo Parisyan was during this period of time, and after this loss, he went on a massive run at 170, and the only thing that stopped him from fighting for a title was injuries. What was telling for me in this fight was not only St. Pierre’s complete dominance, but Karo’s inability to overcome his own fear of the takedown. It was completely out of character for him at the time to be inactive on the feet and yet in the last two minutes of the fight, Karo threw almost no strikes and not only lacked the killer instinct of a fighter who needed a finish to win, but lacked the spirit of the Parisyan we came to know and love. That tells me that GSP broke him mentally, and Karo simply could not perform like himself due to that fear.

After obliterating a young and talented Jay Heiron, GSP would face Matt Hughes for the first time. The UFC Welterweight division was looking to crown a new champion after BJ Penn left the organization to fight in K-1. At UFC 50, Georges St. Pierre got his opportunity to be that guy.
Hughes gets a single leg.
GSP rolls his eyes as John McCarthy yells “work!”, with GSP holding a kimura grip on Hughes’ right arm, and the latter’s arms locked around GSP’s torso. St. Pierre turns and puts his fingers in the cage to reverse Hughes and get up, but soon, that would be but a tiny victory. GSP lands a spinning back kick which briefly hurts Hughes, but otherwise, Matt is pressing the action and looking for his opportunities.
One minute left and Hughes has obtained side mount, and things start to look better for GSP once they get off the cage. But not for long. Since Georges allowed Matt to retain a ¾ guard, it’s easier for Hughes to pass. GSP starts shrimping to avoid the punches of Hughes, then looks for a kimura grip on Hughes’ right arm. In doing so, he acquiesces his attention to offense, and forgets he has a world class grappler on top of him. With St. Pierre so focused on his kimura grip, he no longer has hands to frame or defend what’s coming next. Hughes steps over GSP’s guard by elevating his hips, and rotating to his right. Here’s where the slickness comes in. Hughes continues rotating and uses GSP’s own kimura grip to rotate his own right arm to grab Georges’ right wrist, and sits down on GSP, locking in an armbar. St. Pierre taps with exactly 1 second left in the round, and loses his first UFC title shot, and his first fight.
 
Hughes gets a single leg.
GSP rolls his eyes as John McCarthy yells “work!”, with GSP holding a kimura grip on Hughes’ right arm, and the latter’s arms locked around GSP’s torso. St. Pierre turns and puts his fingers in the cage to reverse Hughes and get up, but soon, that would be but a tiny victory. GSP lands a spinning back kick which briefly hurts Hughes, but otherwise, Matt is pressing the action and looking for his opportunities.
One minute left and Hughes has obtained side mount, and things start to look better for GSP once they get off the cage. But not for long. Since Georges allowed Matt to retain a ¾ guard, it’s easier for Hughes to pass. GSP starts shrimping to avoid the punches of Hughes, then looks for a kimura grip on Hughes’ right arm. In doing so, he acquiesces his attention to offense, and forgets he has a world class grappler on top of him. With St. Pierre so focused on his kimura grip, he no longer has hands to frame or defend what’s coming next. Hughes steps over GSP’s guard by elevating his hips, and rotating to his right. Here’s where the slickness comes in. Hughes continues rotating and uses GSP’s own kimura grip to rotate his own right arm to grab Georges’ right wrist, and sits down on GSP, locking in an armbar. St. Pierre taps with exactly 1 second left in the round, and loses his first UFC title shot, and his first fight.
In boxing, fighters are often discarded by promoters, fans and friends after losing their first fight. Boxers often have to change a lot about who is around them after they lose, causing them to question everything they have done up to that point. For Georges St. Pierre, this was only the beginning. GSP rattled off a staggering 5 straight wins that showed not only his rapidly developing skills, but his complete and utter superiority to anyone not named Matt Hughes. GSP had to beat just about every top guy at 170, including Sean Sherk, who was only making his way back to the UFC after losing to Hughes himself in 2003. Georges did everything he needed and more to earn his shot. And he would get it at UFC 65. With 2 impactful dick kicks and 1 huge high kick, St. Pierre got the job done, taking the torch from Hughes and solidifying himself as the best welterweight in the world. My personal favorite part of his performance is when Hughes starts lifting his lead leg up to check the low kicks of GSP, but Georges instead steps in and brutalizes his rear leg instead. A testament to the GSP’s endless bag of tricks, his scholarly approach to fighting, and Rob Kaman shadowing.
 
In boxing, fighters are often discarded by promoters, fans and friends after losing their first fight. Boxers often have to change a lot about who is around them after they lose, causing them to question everything they have done up to that point. For Georges St. Pierre, this was only the beginning. GSP rattled off a staggering 5 straight wins that showed not only his rapidly developing skills, but his complete and utter superiority to anyone not named Matt Hughes. GSP had to beat just about every top guy at 170, including Sean Sherk, who was only making his way back to the UFC after losing to Hughes himself in 2003. Georges did everything he needed and more to earn his shot. And he would get it at UFC 65. With 2 impactful dick kicks and 1 huge high kick, St. Pierre got the job done, taking the torch from Hughes and solidifying himself as the best welterweight in the world. My personal favorite part of his performance is when Hughes starts lifting his lead leg up to check the low kicks of GSP, but Georges instead steps in and brutalizes his rear leg instead. A testament to the GSP’s endless bag of tricks, his scholarly approach to fighting, and Rob Kaman shadowing.
At UFC 69, Matt Serra pulled off the biggest card trick in the sport when he stopped GSP by strikes in his first title defense attempt, landing enough right hands to knock out a horse and giving Dana White one of the biggest “HOLY SHIT” moments of his career in the UFC. Famously and humbly calling Georges “the future of the sport”, Matt Serra lost that shiny belt at UFC 83 when St. Pierre absolutely crushed him on the ground, taking that championship back and never losing it again. Ever the intelligent fighter, Georges did very little standing with Serra and double legged him until he didn’t get back up. This is where GSP really began his absolute prime. Moving gyms from the Renzo Gracie Academy in New York to Tristar in Montreal proved to be pivotal for him, as he started working under Firas Zahabi, and the two developed a coach-fighter duo ala Roach-Pacquiao.
A True Champion
GSP’s first title defense was top contender Jon Fitch. Forgotten amongst contemporary knuckleheads and polarizing to those of his own era, Fitch was a dominant force at 170 for many years, cementing himself as the best guy in the division not named Georges St. Pierre. It’s a shame that wouldn’t be even remotely close to enough, as St. Pierre snapped Fitch’s 16 fight win streak, making the fight look like a father fighting his son, which is something Georges would repeat multiple times throughout his championship run. By this time GSP was already a star in Canada and the United States, his affable humility and boyish look completing the Jean Claude Van Damme trifecta. Pay-per-views with GSP headlining were already regularly doing 500,000 plus buys, and that’s with him only fighting in Canada once as a headliner thus far. The way he ragdolled Fitch solidified him as a champion, and thrust him deep into a division full of killers hellbent on taking everything he had. But that didn’t quite work for them, did it?
 
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