GSP had the most complete and sophisticated approach to S&C

[Deleted member 512089]

He is literally the only fighter that i saw training his S&C with so much variety and proficiency : olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, gymnastics, underwater... You see Jon Jones training for HW and he only does powerlifting, never saw him do a snatch since his début. You see Khabib and he's mostly just doing bodyweight exercises and some barbell, you look at Poirier training on youtube and it doesn't look nearly has intense. None of them does cleans & snatches, none of them does gymnastic rings, jumps, parallel bars and pommel horse. None of them does the underwater endurance training. Only one that did all of th is GSP. He took his S&C training to the next level and that's one of the reason he's the goat. Enjoy :

Training Olympic Lifts with proficiency




Training Gymnastics




Training underwater

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Blending everything


For comparison:
Khabib S&C training


Poirier S&C training


Jones S&C training


They're good but they're very basic compared to GSP. Also didn't include the "pulsing" part of the training for jones.

 

[youllneverwalkalone]

"Doing it" and "doing it while being filmed" are two different things. GSP's training like other superstars is much more televised than the average mma fighter. There might be a lot of fighters with as good or better S&C routines for all we know.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

"Doing it" and "doing it while being filmed" are two different things. GSP's training like other superstars is much more televised than the average mma fighter. There might be a lot of fighters with as good or better S&C routines for all we know.

Believe me, if those guys were able to do Clean & Jerks, Snatches and gymnastic rings they would film it with very big care. They took the time to film the other part of their training and make it look impressive so if they could they would.

It's just that no one trains S&C as intelligently and meticulously as GSP.

 

[13Seconds]

Others with interesting/high level strength and conditioning programs: RDA, Ferguson, Weili, Rakic, TJ, Jones does some wild shit too not only powerlifting, Cain back in the day

 

[glavinator]

He is literally the only fighter that i saw training his S&C with so much variety and proficiency : olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, gymnastics, underwater... You see Jon Jones training for HW and he only does powerlifting, never saw him do a snatch since his début. You see Khabib and he's mostly just doing bodyweight exercises and some barbell, you look at Poirier training on youtube and it doesn't look nearly has intense. None of them does cleans & snatches, none of them does gymnastic rings, jumps, parallel bars and pommel horse. None of them does the underwater endurance training. Only one that did all of th is GSP. He took his S&C training to the next level and that's one of the reason he's the goat. Enjoy :

Training Olympic Lifts with proficiency




Training Gymnastics




Training underwater

Gsp sucks, don't ya know....???

 

[FIghtxIQ]

He is literally the only fighter that i saw training his S&C with so much variety and proficiency : olympic weightlifting, powerlifting, gymnastics, underwater... You see Jon Jones training for HW and he only does powerlifting, never saw him do a snatch since his début. You see Khabib and he's mostly just doing bodyweight exercises and some barbell, you look at Poirier training on youtube and it doesn't look nearly has intense. None of them does cleans & snatches, none of them does gymnastic rings, jumps, parallel bars and pommel horse. None of them does the underwater endurance training. Only one that did all of th is GSP. He took his S&C training to the next level and that's one of the reason he's the goat. Enjoy :

Training Olympic Lifts with proficiency




Training Gymnastics




Training underwater

Yes GSP's training is the most versatile. He covers a lot of ground with his training.

 

[potato]

What are you talking about? GSP never did any strenght and conditioning:

Spoiler

 

[youllneverwalkalone]

Believe me, if those guys were able to do Clean & Jerks, Snatches and gymnastic rings they would film it with very big care. They took the time to film the other part of their training and make it look impressive so if they could they would.

It's just that no one trains S&C as intelligently and meticulously as GSP.

I don't disagree that GSP is elite in that respect, I just don't think that watching YouTube videos is the best way to answer your question. Again, you can only see what content they put out there (and for 99% of fighters you don't see anything at all). I think asking MMA- and S&C coaches would be much more informative.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Others with interesting/high level strength and conditioning programs: RDA, Ferguson, Weili, Rakic, TJ, Jones does some wild shit too not only powerlifting, Cain back in the day

True. RDA is amazing. Rakic does power clean and has an interesting video with Oleksiy Torokhtiy.

But none of them is doing what GSP does, blending olympic weightlifting, gymnastics, powerlifting, underwater, everything... With high technique proficiency work the Oly lifts and gymnastics.

And Jones does only powerlifting and running since some time. Didn't see anything else at least on his Instagram.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

What are you talking about? GSP never did any strenght and conditioning:

Spoiler

Ok maybe he meant training endurance on a treadmill... But that's still akward to say... He literally is a S&C maniac lol...

 

[Megatronlee]

No. That’s just him enjoying other sports .

Phil Daru is the most complete

 

[potato]

Ok maybe he meant training endurance on a treadmill... But that's still akward to say... He literally is a S&C maniac lol...

Yeah, it was probably a language barrier thing... lol
Later, in Joe's podcast, I think he addressed this and said he didn't know what it meant before or that he thought it meant a more specific set of exercises, if I recall correctly.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

What are you talking about? GSP never did any strenght and conditioning:

Spoiler

He was talking about beach muscles and running on a treadmill. He started doing functional strength conditioning after this interview and still does it to this day. There are other ways to work your cardio besides running on a treadmill, so that isn't wrong either.

 

[FIghtxIQ]

I don't disagree that GSP is elite in that respect, I just don't think that watching YouTube videos is the best way to answer your question. Again, you can only see what content they put out there (and for 99% of fighters you don't see anything at all). I think asking MMA- and S&C coaches would be much more informative.

Just look at the results. GSP has elite results from his training in terms of strength and conditioning vs other fighters. Don't always judge the training, judge the results from the training. If the training isn't understood it's easy to dismiss it, but the results can't be easily dismissed.

 

[M.U.S.C.L.E.]

Who cares? This isn't CrossFit, it's MMA.

GSP lifted 135 lbs over his head. Whoop-dee-do! There are children that do that. What's the point?

TS, you're expertise on Jon Jones'' training is based on scrolling through his Instagram? You may be, just maybe, a casual.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

Who cares? This isn't CrossFit, it's MMA.

GSP lifted 135 lbs over his head. Whoop-dee-do! There are children that do that. What's the point?

TS, you're expertise on Jon Jones'' training is based on scrolling through his Instagram? You may be, just maybe, a casual.

You obviously don't know what a Power Snatch is at all if you refer it by "lifting something over your head that children can do". Plus he did multiple reps which shows he trained it as a muscular endurance exercise that time, and wasn't exhausted at all which shows he can Power Snatch way more.

I based my assessment on Jon Jones training based on the various training video that he posts on different media, be it Youtube, Instagram, other... Like I did for GSP, Khabib or Poirier. Feel free to discuss the format, but it just show you have no constructive criticism to give about the content.

Honestly anyone who knows the basics of S&C will see that you are the one being a casual and ridiculing yourself.

 

[Deleted member 512089]

No. That’s just him enjoying other sports .

Phil Daru is the most complete

Very true that he might enjoy it. But it's still very intelligent.

It has been proven that Olympic Lifts are the best movements to develop strength-speed and they develop explosiveness and are technical at the same time, which is exactly what you need in mma.

Gymnastics improve coordination, stabilisation, explosiveness and core and grip strength to a high level. Gymnast have the most functional strength in all athletes.

Underwater training is excellent to develop your muscle endurance and oxidative energy system aka cardio.

No need to explain what powerlifting does.

That's all the athletic tools you need in mma that he's developing through his training. If he enjoys it it's even better.

And Phil Daru is good no doubt I follow him on youtube and even implemented some of his teachings to my training. But he's not perfect. He's almost anti oly lift which is not reasonable at this level. He's still a great coach tho, but he has his flaws.

 

[Volador]

Just because he had a more varied training regime, it doesn't mean much. There's no special advantages to training underwater for example, or learning how to do backflips, as long as you're training the aspects that need to be trained ie. endurance, strength, power, etc; in an intelligent way. There's no single way to do that. GSP is a very impressive athlete either way.

If anything, your post somewhat disproves your point. Khabib, even with a more meat and potatoes regime, never had cardio, endurance, explosion or strength issues. If anything, he usually had an edge. Same with some other guys, including old school boxers, who did much more "basic" training than GSP, yet performed at an elite level. Not sure how many conclusions we can draw about their programming from some isolated youtube clips either.

 

[Street Samurai]

Used to see gsp at my gym. He was doing squats on a balloon. Need a lot of balance to do so