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I was wondering if someone could perhaps explain to me what was going on between George Foreman and Teddy Atlas during the press conference before George fought Moorer, specifically when it seems like Teddy starts going after George and George says something along the lines of 'go make me a sandwhich'?

I just re-watched the HBO Legendary Nights program for the fight on Youtube (didn't even know they were there), and it made me very curious. I have not read Teddy's book, but I have heard it goes into great detail about Moorer and George's bout, does anyone who has read it have any insight? Thanks.
 
Teddy Atlas talked about that in his book.

During the Moorer/Foreman press conference, Foreman started playing mind games with Moorer during their staredown.
Moorer was wearing sunglasses so Foreman said, "what's the matter boy? you not man enough to stare me in the eye?".
This pissed off Moorer so he took the glasses off and stared right at Foreman.
Foreman laughed and said something to the effect of: "ha, today I took your glasses....on fight night I'm gonna take your belt"....

Atlas, being the protective trainer that he is, decided to do some shit talkin on Moorer's part and got all up in Foreman's face. Foreman brushed him off and said "go make me a sandwich"...
 
As MisterT said Foreman was playing mind games and Moorer's psyche could be pretty fragile. Teddy stepped in to show Foreman they weren't having it and light a fire under Michael. If memory serves me Michael was having some confidence issues leading up to the fight.

BTW Teddy's book is a great read.
 
I was wondering if someone could perhaps explain to me what was going on between George Foreman and Teddy Atlas during the press conference before George fought Moorer, specifically when it seems like Teddy starts going after George and George says something along the lines of 'go make me a sandwhich'?

I just re-watched the HBO Legendary Nights program for the fight on Youtube (didn't even know they were there), and it made me very curious. I have not read Teddy's book, but I have heard it goes into great detail about Moorer and George's bout, does anyone who has read it have any insight? Thanks.



Perhaps telling Atlas to stop being a dick and get lost...
 
Teddy Atlas talked about that in his book.

During the Moorer/Foreman press conference, Foreman started playing mind games with Moorer during their staredown.
Moorer was wearing sunglasses so Foreman said, "what's the matter boy? you not man enough to stare me in the eye?".
This pissed off Moorer so he took the glasses off and stared right at Foreman.
Foreman laughed and said something to the effect of: "ha, today I took your glasses....on fight night I'm gonna take your belt"....

Atlas, being the protective trainer that he is, decided to do some shit talkin on Moorer's part and got all up in Foreman's face. Foreman brushed him off and said "go make me a sandwich"...

shit like this is why I friggin love George Foreman.
 
Here it is around the 3:00 mark:



Thanks TS- I had forgotten about this incident and just re-watched it. Laughs at the smug look of Foreman, he knew he won that mind game!
 
Well here is the story with George.

In his comeback George played the role as a "joke" of the boxing world for the "mass media" eating hamburgers and stuff.

This is why people always think that no one took George seriously back in those times as a contender. But if you thought that then... then mass media reporting got to you.

The truth is every fighter was scared shitless of George and knew he was conning the media and playing himself as a non-threatening joke to sucker in big fights/title fights.

This is why you hear Moorer and Atlas in the above vid call George a fake and a con.

This is also why Tyson ducked Big George in 1990. Tyson is not stupid when it comes to boxing history. He knew George would CRUSH him like he did Frazier and wanted no part of George. Tyson watched the Frazier/Foreman many times with Cus telling him a guy like Frazier would never have a chance against George and it scared Tyson shitless and he didn't fall for George's "phoney" act of being out of shape and an old senior citizen.

George is a prolific puncher and all you have to do it look at the prior Tom Morrision fight before the Moorer fight where Tommy devised a smart plan of running away from George because there was no way he was going to go head to head.

Tyson can't fight going back, he has to fight going forward and that's where George would crush him and the reason Tyson decided to dodge him
 
This is also why Tyson ducked Big George in 1990. Tyson is not stupid when it comes to boxing history. He knew George would CRUSH him like he did Frazier and wanted no part of George. Tyson watched the Frazier/Foreman many times with Cus telling him a guy like Frazier would never have a chance against George and it scared Tyson shitless and he didn't fall for George's "phoney" act of being out of shape and an old senior citizen.

George is a prolific puncher and all you have to do it look at the prior Tom Morrision fight before the Moorer fight where Tommy devised a smart plan of running away from George because there was no way he was going to go head to head.

Tyson can't fight going back, he has to fight going forward and that's where George would crush him and the reason Tyson decided to dodge him


WTF?

Are you on crack or is this a very ingenious troll job you are pulling off?

Tyson was too quick for old man George. Quick head movements and foot work.

George was a vicious puncher but Tyson was just too fast.

It amazes me that you see Tyson as a stationary fighter who was just a power hitter and had no fluent foot work and one of the slickest head movements of any HW.

Lay of the crackpipe buddy. It is f'cking up your slow brain.
 
WTF?

Are you on crack or is this a very ingenious troll job you are pulling off?

Tyson was too quick for old man George. Quick head movements and foot work.

George was a vicious puncher but Tyson was just too fast.

It amazes me that you see Tyson as a stationary fighter who was just a power hitter and had no fluent foot work and one of the slickest head movements of any HW.

Lay of the crackpipe buddy. It is f'cking up your slow brain.

lol...you REALLY have no clue do you?

Learn your boxing history dude. You have NO IDEA about boxing politics.

Absolutely ZERO
 
Well here is the story with George.

In his comeback George played the role as a "joke" of the boxing world for the "mass media" eating hamburgers and stuff.

This is why people always think that no one took George seriously back in those times as a contender. But if you thought that then... then mass media reporting got to you.

The truth is every fighter was scared shitless of George and knew he was conning the media and playing himself as a non-threatening joke to sucker in big fights/title fights.


I remember you making this claim in another thread.........It's not simply mass media which brought this mind-set across. It's also the fact that, Bert Cooper aside, Foreman fought a bunch of bums, a blown-up cruiserweight (Qawi), and a washed up Gerry Cooney on his way to the title fight against Holyfield.

Or perhaps Foreman's fight with Alex Stewart had Moorer shaking in his boots.



This is why you hear Moorer and Atlas in the above vid call George a fake and a con.

Unless you've read accounts by Moorer and/or Atlas which say otherwise, they could've been referring to the nice-guy image Foreman had been portraying, or perhaps even attempted to get under his skin by alluding to Foreman being a fake in terms of his devotion to religion. Simon Brown had questioned Foreman's religious angle due to some comments Foreman made about Brown.





George is a prolific puncher and all you have to do it look at the prior Tom Morrision fight before the Moorer fight where Tommy devised a smart plan of running away from George because there was no way he was going to go head to head.


Yeah, well, Morrison wasn't known for having a granite chin (Nearly got knocked out by a faded Carl Williams, then, post-Foreman, got knocked out by the light-punching Michael Bentt, and almost got knocked out by Ross Puritty)........So fighting Foreman head-on, when Foreman was known as being slow & old, but still having power, would have been a risky tactic.


Tyson can't fight going back, he has to fight going forward and that's where George would crush him and the reason Tyson decided to dodge him

So you say. Foreman was unable to knock out Alex Stewart, yet you think old-man Foreman would have knocked Tyson out ala Foreman-Frazier I.

The main reason Foreman even knocked out Moorer was because Moorer didn't take him seriously enough and fought within Foreman's range. Combine that with Moorer's undependable chin, and Foreman was able to win the title.
 
Trying to drag this away from becoming another Tyson thread by expanding what was said earlier.

Moorer was a very talented fighter at both cruiserweight and heavyweight. Fluid, technical, decent footwork, able to punch with either hand, pretty good power. However like many fighters throughout life having the physical attributes isn't enough... you need the mentality to match it and that had long been Moorer's flaw. He'd gone through an array of trainers before coming across Atlas and they'd all struggled to get through to him with Atlas being perhaps the only one to really do it.

This was never more apparent than Moorer vs Holyfield for the title. The Legendary Nights show covers this but to recap... Moorer was lethargic for basically the first half of the fight and looked to be throwing away his chance at the title. You know those little monologues Atlas does on Friday Night Fights during a bout where he says stuff along on the lines of "there's a time in a fighter's life when he has to dig down deep inside and decide whether he's going to simply survive or reach for greatness..."? He basically did one of those between each round in Moorer's corner and it has to be said almost single handedly brought the talent out. It was a remarkable example of corner work and I'd say the second best inspirational pep speech in the corner (only beaten by Joe Goossen's words of encouragement to Corrales after the 2nd knockdown in the 10th of his first bout with Castillo) as opposed to technical advice.

Again, as Legenedary Nights sets out the news was dominated post-fight by news of Holyfields heart problems and Moorer both lost the spotlight and much of the credit. He sort of wilted under that and likewise wilted under Foreman's humerous barrage of mockery. What Atlas was doing was trying to build some fire in Moorer, standing up for a guy who wasn't equipped to stand up for himself in those circumstances.

The closest other example I can think of is Norman Stone with John Ruiz, especially during the RJJ fight. Ruiz is a pretty passive, mellow guy who doesn't bring the fire (in either style or personality) and Norman tried (with much less success) to essentially make up for that with his own machine gun fury at anything he could find.
 
Trying to drag this away from becoming another Tyson thread by expanding what was said earlier.

Moorer was a very talented fighter at both cruiserweight and heavyweight. Fluid, technical, decent footwork, able to punch with either hand, pretty good power. However like many fighters throughout life having the physical attributes isn't enough... you need the mentality to match it and that had long been Moorer's flaw. He'd gone through an array of trainers before coming across Atlas and they'd all struggled to get through to him with Atlas being perhaps the only one to really do it.

This was never more apparent than Moorer vs Holyfield for the title. The Legendary Nights show covers this but to recap... Moorer was lethargic for basically the first half of the fight and looked to be throwing away his chance at the title. You know those little monologues Atlas does on Friday Night Fights during a bout where he says stuff along on the lines of "there's a time in a fighter's life when he has to dig down deep inside and decide whether he's going to simply survive or reach for greatness..."? He basically did one of those between each round in Moorer's corner and it has to be said almost single handedly brought the talent out. It was a remarkable example of corner work and I'd say the second best inspirational pep speech in the corner (only beaten by Joe Goossen's words of encouragement to Corrales after the 2nd knockdown in the 10th of his first bout with Castillo) as opposed to technical advice.

Again, as Legenedary Nights sets out the news was dominated post-fight by news of Holyfields heart problems and Moorer both lost the spotlight and much of the credit. He sort of wilted under that and likewise wilted under Foreman's humerous barrage of mockery. What Atlas was doing was trying to build some fire in Moorer, standing up for a guy who wasn't equipped to stand up for himself in those circumstances.

The closest other example I can think of is Norman Stone with John Ruiz, especially during the RJJ fight. Ruiz is a pretty passive, mellow guy who doesn't bring the fire (in either style or personality) and Norman tried (with much less success) to essentially make up for that with his own machine gun fury at anything he could find.

"You gotta fuckin get inside on him now"
 
I remember you making this claim in another thread.........It's not simply mass media which brought this mind-set across. It's also the fact that, Bert Cooper aside, Foreman fought a bunch of bums, a blown-up cruiserweight (Qawi), and a washed up Gerry Cooney on his way to the title fight against Holyfield.

Or perhaps Foreman's fight with Alex Stewart had Moorer shaking in his boots.





Unless you've read accounts by Moorer and/or Atlas which say otherwise, they could've been referring to the nice-guy image Foreman had been portraying, or perhaps even attempted to get under his skin by alluding to Foreman being a fake in terms of his devotion to religion. Simon Brown had questioned Foreman's religious angle due to some comments Foreman made about Brown.








Yeah, well, Morrison wasn't known for having a granite chin (Nearly got knocked out by a faded Carl Williams, then, post-Foreman, got knocked out by the light-punching Michael Bentt, and almost got knocked out by Ross Puritty)........So fighting Foreman head-on, when Foreman was known as being slow & old, but still having power, would have been a risky tactic.




So you say. Foreman was unable to knock out Alex Stewart, yet you think old-man Foreman would have knocked Tyson out ala Foreman-Frazier I.

The main reason Foreman even knocked out Moorer was because Moorer didn't take him seriously enough and fought within Foreman's range. Combine that with Moorer's undependable chin, and Foreman was able to win the title.

The reason Foreman was fighting bums was the fact no one wanted to fight him or wanted a piece of him whatsoever...ESPECIALLY Tyson. Bums don't exactly have the choice of dodging...You'll probably end up realizing that bums have the toughest opponents out of everyone

The fact that certain guys like Conney fought him were that they were suckered in to his dumb "old man" act. Do you think the guy just goes into press conferences eating burgers like an idiot? He's doing that to get fights because he wasn't getting any.

Tyson isn't an idiot, he KNOWS his boxing and his boxing history unlike a lot of Tyson fanatics that just watch Mike Tyson can crushing highlights. Tyson used to watch a shitload of fights over and over again with Cus especially Foreman/Frazier and he knew a guy like Frazier was finished against George. This shit is engrained in TYson's brain. He knew he had zero chance against George and totally dodged him after being crushed in the Buster Douglas fight

Yeah and i'm sure George was faking the religion thing for 10 years and it was his plan hold out for 10 years so he could play this "prank" and get Teddy, Moorer and everyone else mad lol...it had nothing to do with religion. And Michael Moorer is gonna get mad about religion when he was getting into fights at Scores strip clubs? He doesn't even give a shit.

In the fight Ted Atlas even warned Moorer going into the round with Foreman not to be a fool or get KO'd. If Ted wasn't scared they why would he warn him.

Everyone was aware George was no joke except the mass media and the promotors which he played his little "old man" act for to get relevant fights
 
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Yeah and i'm sure George was faking the religion thing for 10 years and it was his plan hold out for 10 years so he could play this "prank" and get Teddy, Moorer and everyone else mad lol...it had nothing to do with religion. And Michael Moorer is gonna get mad about religion when he was getting into fights at Scores strip clubs? He doesn't even give a shit.

I'm not saying Moorer cared whether Foreman was really religious or not, but even non-religious people get annoyed by someone who claims to be religious but is a hypocrite.......And, miraculously enough, there tend to be a lot of hypocrites in religious circles.

Also, it could've just been a ploy, as I said, by Moorer & Atlas. Playing against Foreman's supposed religious sensibilities.

And just a little tidbit, but my girlfriend briefly knew an illegitimate daughter of Foreman. She looked just like him (unfortunately for her).......She said she had only seen him once, when she was very young, and he never gave child support or anything.

Sounds like a good, religious man if you ask me.


In the fight Ted Atlas even warned Moorer going into the round with Foreman not to be a fool or get KO'd. If Ted wasn't scared they why would he warn him.

Everyone was aware George was no joke except the mass media and the promotors which he played his little "old man" act for to get relevant fights


It's because Atlas was sensible and knew there was a chance Moorer was falling into Foreman's hands and could get caught by a KO.

Also, if Foreman was so feared in boxing circles, why did Moorer fight Foreman in his first title defense? That doesn't make sense......Foreman was supposed to be a gimme title defense for Moorer. Foreman wasn't the #1 contender, he wasn't going to draw any more money than a number of other top rated heavyweights.



Trying to drag this away from becoming another Tyson thread by expanding what was said earlier.

Moorer was a very talented fighter at both cruiserweight and heavyweight.


From what I remember, he never fought at cruiserweight. He was a light heavy (WBO champ) who eventually jumped directly to heavyweight.



Fluid, technical, decent footwork, able to punch with either hand, pretty good power. However like many fighters throughout life having the physical attributes isn't enough... you need the mentality to match it and that had long been Moorer's flaw. He'd gone through an array of trainers before coming across Atlas and they'd all struggled to get through to him with Atlas being perhaps the only one to really do it.

This was never more apparent than Moorer vs Holyfield for the title. The Legendary Nights show covers this but to recap... Moorer was lethargic for basically the first half of the fight and looked to be throwing away his chance at the title. You know those little monologues Atlas does on Friday Night Fights during a bout where he says stuff along on the lines of "there's a time in a fighter's life when he has to dig down deep inside and decide whether he's going to simply survive or reach for greatness..."? He basically did one of those between each round in Moorer's corner and it has to be said almost single handedly brought the talent out. It was a remarkable example of corner work and I'd say the second best inspirational pep speech in the corner (only beaten by Joe Goossen's words of encouragement to Corrales after the 2nd knockdown in the 10th of his first bout with Castillo) as opposed to technical advice.

I thought Teddy's speech was well done, but I really don't know if it lit a fire in Moorer like some people think. He didn't suddenly go out there and become super-aggressive or anything. He was still being lethargic, and it was questionable whether he would go on to win the decision since he wasn't cementing it. I thought Holyfield's sub-par performance had far more to do with Moorer winning than Teddy's speech.

I remember Teddy giving some big speeches during the Moorer-Botha fight as well. Moorer even said that the "phone call from your son" bit didn't motivate Moorer, because Moorer knew his ex-wife doesn't have his cell #. Moorer eventually knocked Botha out, not because of Teddy's motivational blurbs, but moreso due to Botha's lack of ability/talent compared to Moorer.
 
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I remember the Tyson bit. Don King offered him the fight and said it would be the highest selling fight in history. Tyson said no several times and King kept pushing it. Tyson eventually got really pissed and said something along the lines of "If you want it to happen so bad, you go fight that fucking monster".
 
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