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Im sure you all know the guy im on about, the famous youtube video of him asking people to try to hit him and them all failing

Its quite impressive tbh

Anyway, of course he done it to sell his products on his website

He has a head movement program with loads of videos and information, an audio package and what not

Just wondered if anyone here had used it and what they thought of it ?
 
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No one bought it.

I just looked and confirmed all his stuff is WAAAY overpriced, especially for someone who's not actually that great (not to mention lack of credentials). He uses his feet to run a lot and is more athletic than the people he faces, he relies on youthful athletics wastes a lot of energy. He's not polished, just looks good facing people ALL who DON'T know how to fight even a tiny bit, people who have no training and aren't as determined as him. He would do well in a fight with those same nobodies, who all look weaker than him and have no training.


You want to be taught by someone that can do all that while smooth (looks slow but still get missed), relaxed, using next to no energy (like Sweetpea, Ali, several no names and some local talented guys) those guys know actual technique and mechanics that they could possibly teach you if you paid them for private lessons (which aren't that expensive- they're usually like $30/40 hr., sometimes less and that's referencing the legendary overpriced GLEASON's GYM) .

This guy is no where near as technical as he would have you believe. I'm not telling you not to do it (I've certainly blown $100 in worse ways), but just know, it's going to take actual drilling with a trainer/partner (someone who CAN punch and knows how to move) for you to get decent as well as experience sparring against decent, trained people, not these no-nothing 1 shotter randos who don't even know how to walk + throw without tripping (which is why he looks so good, because he didn't even face complete gym beginners AND had unlimited space to retreat).

You could probably find and have a decent technical amateur boxer teach you all that + much better more detailed info just for a Chili's Gift Card (wherever he likes to eat).
 
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Interesting take

I agree it is very expensive at $100, that is what keeps me from buying it, i would like to hear a review from someone on here and not a review he has on his website

To me it does look good, if it was $50 id risk it but at $100 im hesitant

Hopefully someone else comes along who has actually bought it and can give me a review

On a side note, my god that video must have made him a rich man

He has 27.9 million views, lets say he converted 0.01% of those views into buys which is realistic then he is looking at a profit of around $270,000

That is insane, hats off to the guy
 
What is he supposed to teach you that's worth a hundred dollars that you can't learn for free from countless places on the internet? What's his professional record? What actual impressive things has he done?

I wouldn't badmouth him elsewhere, good on him for making a living by doing what he loves, but on a niche forum like this, let's not dissemble. It's not worth it in the least.
 
I know people who are friends with Travis, he's apparently a great guy but there's better quality material on YouTube and learning to box at a gym is typically inexpensive
 
You know... it's always interesting to read 'reviews' of my programs from people who haven't participated in them. I just don't know how you could understand what something is worth if you don't know what's in it! You pay a boxing coach 30-40 / hr for an instructional lesson, and that's 'worth it', but when you get 4 or 5 hours of instruction from my videos in addition to 15 workouts (also an hour long), that's apparently not worth it for $90? I just don't understand the logic.

Regarding my credentials (if anyone cares) I've trained competitively for more than 15 years with a handful of pro fights, and I've been a sparring partner for 2 UFC champs... but I don't even think my skills in a ring are all that relevant. No one ever sang the praises of Cus D'mato as a boxer, but we all know that he was a hell of a trainer. Most boxing can tell you how to do something (sometimes), but they can't tell you why it works and they can't tell you what makes a movement more efficient or more effective. Half of the information floating through boxing gyms is just wrong.

To Reysenthurger or whatever the hell your name is, let's see you try dodging flailing punches for a couple minutes straight with nothing to help you DISTANCE yourself or stop the guy from charging! Of course you use a ridiculous amount of energy! It's a ridiculous simulation of a circumstance that doesn't even exist in the real world! It's not like you get to jab the guy a few times and sit down in front of him while he misses. That was not the purpose of the demonstration...... obviously. You also mention that you need to drill, which is again pretty obvious. The workouts in the course tell you exactly what you need to drill (both with and without a partner). So, do the work and build the skills... it's pretty much as simple as that.

MAN... it is really frustrating to read people bad mouthing your stuff, especially when so many people have gotten spectacular results from the program. Very very frustrating.

Cheers to everyone who kept it positive.

Keep training hard!
 
FightSmartTrav said:
You know... it's always interesting to read 'reviews' of my programs from people who haven't participated in them. I just don't know how you could understand what something is worth if you don't know what's in it! You pay a boxing coach 30-40 / hr for an instructional lesson, and that's 'worth it', but when you get 4 or 5 hours of instruction from my videos in addition to 15 workouts (also an hour long), that's apparently not worth it for $90? I just don't understand the logic.

Regarding my credentials (if anyone cares) I've trained competitively for more than 15 years with a handful of pro fights, and I've been a sparring partner for 2 UFC champs... but I don't even think my skills in a ring are all that relevant. No one ever sang the praises of Cus D'mato as a boxer, but we all know that he was a hell of a trainer. Most boxing can tell you how to do something (sometimes), but they can't tell you why it works and they can't tell you what makes a movement more efficient or more effective. Half of the information floating through boxing gyms is just wrong.

To Reysenthurger or whatever the hell your name is, let's see you try dodging flailing punches for a couple minutes straight with nothing to help you DISTANCE yourself or stop the guy from charging! Of course you use a ridiculous amount of energy! It's a ridiculous simulation of a circumstance that doesn't even exist in the real world! It's not like you get to jab the guy a few times and sit down in front of him while he misses. That was not the purpose of the demonstration...... obviously. You also mention that you need to drill, which is again pretty obvious. The workouts in the course tell you exactly what you need to drill (both with and without a partner). So, do the work and build the skills... it's pretty much as simple as that.

MAN... it is really frustrating to read people bad mouthing your stuff, especially when so many people have gotten spectacular results from the program. Very very frustrating.

Cheers to everyone who kept it positive.

Keep training hard!
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You should post here once in a while. Pretty funny that you noticed this, do you frequent Sherdog?

Anyway, as you said it's hard to judge something if you haven't tried it and it might seem a little unfair. I'm sure your program has merit, but I can understand the scepticism as well. Flashy videos with a sales pitch geared toward the masses is usually a red flag. Seems gimmicky. Either way, it's hard to do what you did in the video.

If I may ask, why did you stop fighting? Do you coach at a gym?
 
It's not that FightSmartTrav doesn't have the credentials or "right" to release such info for a price, it's that world class coaches/fighters tend to charge less when they release a series. That's mostly the thing for me.

On the other hand, this is not a branch of skill you can easily find in a pre-compiled format (usually scattered, less focused, so you have to compile it yourself, which most people don't know where to start/how to do), and it IS important, so I guess I understand the justification to a degree.

It's $97 to help you learn the mechanics of how to NOT get KOed easily by people, which is not a horrible thing if you look at it that way. I wouldn't feel bad for anyone who bought it, I've wanted to look at it myself, but @ that price, it's a substantial risk from someone not many people know. If it was say half that, I would wager that you'd get more than twice the amount of people trying it (less risk for them and more $ for you)

Let's be fair


On your site you DO say:
  • You don't need to go to a gym
  • You don't need a training partner
  • You don't need any equipment


I disagree with all of that, especially the first two, but I can dismiss that as marketing and not the actual product. Stuff like that makes it sound like you'll do anything to get their money (which for most marketers who talk like that, includes immediately running when the patsy realizes what they got in exchange for their money). That's what I was talking about when I said you need to drill, I meant at a gym with people who are legit, and not just a friend from next door, and definitely not only on your own. I'm sure you already agree so no point in hammering that one.

Trav, you seem like a cool guy (thanks for not getting too angry) and I'll bet your product could DEFINITELY be worth it for your average person. Also for people in Karate who aren't taught to move their heads, stuff like that. MMA practitioners also, because it still hasn't become standard knowledge/practice yet in MMA.

The person I was responding to (TS / threadstarter) is actually in a Muay Thai class and that's where the value gets hazy. MT or Boxing, I'm going to have to go with my gut and say $97 is too much of a risk to spend and not be able to tell if they're going to learn more than they could in their regular class in addition to their ability to glean various cheap/free learning resources (it's definitely still possible, but too high of a $ risk at that price, imo).

I did talk a little harshly (not out of ignorance- the 2 min. drill without punching back [bonus- no retreating because there's a ring behind you] is no stranger to me, I can't believe you assumed no one on a striking forum does that, lolol) but it was tailored to TS' situation. I am sorry I forgot that a forum like this does get read by many anonymous people and that some snideness of a single opinion could negatively affect your sales in a measurable way, that was not my intention at all. I wish you good luck, thanks for not exploding in retaliation.
 
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Take the 100 dollars and go pay for a
Couple hours of private lessons with a focus on head movement
 
FightSmartTrav said:
You know... it's always interesting to read 'reviews' of my programs from people who haven't participated in them. I just don't know how you could understand what something is worth if you don't know what's in it! You pay a boxing coach 30-40 / hr for an instructional lesson, and that's 'worth it', but when you get 4 or 5 hours of instruction from my videos in addition to 15 workouts (also an hour long), that's apparently not worth it for $90? I just don't understand the logic.

Regarding my credentials (if anyone cares) I've trained competitively for more than 15 years with a handful of pro fights, and I've been a sparring partner for 2 UFC champs... but I don't even think my skills in a ring are all that relevant. No one ever sang the praises of Cus D'mato as a boxer, but we all know that he was a hell of a trainer. Most boxing can tell you how to do something (sometimes), but they can't tell you why it works and they can't tell you what makes a movement more efficient or more effective. Half of the information floating through boxing gyms is just wrong.

To Reysenthurger or whatever the hell your name is, let's see you try dodging flailing punches for a couple minutes straight with nothing to help you DISTANCE yourself or stop the guy from charging! Of course you use a ridiculous amount of energy! It's a ridiculous simulation of a circumstance that doesn't even exist in the real world! It's not like you get to jab the guy a few times and sit down in front of him while he misses. That was not the purpose of the demonstration...... obviously. You also mention that you need to drill, which is again pretty obvious. The workouts in the course tell you exactly what you need to drill (both with and without a partner). So, do the work and build the skills... it's pretty much as simple as that.

MAN... it is really frustrating to read people bad mouthing your stuff, especially when so many people have gotten spectacular results from the program. Very very frustrating.

Cheers to everyone who kept it positive.

Keep training hard!
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We don't need to participate in a video program to know it's not worth a hundred dollars. No video program is. You could train for a couple of months in many boxing gyms with that. Your program might teach someone the very basics, but they're never going to become proficient by just watching videos and never training with a partner/partners. And for drills, there are countless of free videos on how to train head movement on the internet. I'm going out on a limb here and guess that you haven't discovered some ancient secret of head movement from a travelling monk, so your stuff is more of the same.

We know Cus was a hell of a trainer because he trained multiple world champions. How many world champions have you trained? It's not a good analogy for you to bring up, because not only do you not have any ring experience worth talking about, you also have no training credentials.

That doesn't mean you don't know what you're doing, but it means it's a gamble and a random person is probably better off learning from someone with legitimately impressive credentials.

Now, "worth" is a relative word. If a hundred dollars is something you use to wipe your nose with, then I'm sure your program is worth it to a lot of people. But if it's an amount of money that's not inconsequential, then you're better off learning from free sources on the internet and going to a gym/getting private lessons.

In the end, it's just head movement. There's nothing particularly arcane about the theory. It's the practice that's difficult, and that practice you're only going to get in a gym with multiple partners with different styles and body types.

But like I said before, good for you that you're making money with it. People spend their cash on dumber things.
 
Jesus they really make logging in difficult on this site... I don't know how you guys deal with it!

A couple of my members actually alerted me to this post... I only lurk when I'm being talked about ;-)

@Sano: If you want to sell something, you have to have a sales pitch... unfortunately. I try to be realistic about it. I volunteer at a gym here in PA, but I try to spend most of my time with my son. I stopped fighting because it was incredibly stressful. One minute I would be watching Pocahontas, and the next I would become nervous that the other guy was training harder than me... so I would be jumping rope in my living room. I worked myself to the point of injury CONSTANTLY, and overall it was an unhappy lifestyle for me. I didn't have anything to prove after I beat up a few pros.

@Reysenthurger: Have you ever tried to listen to Roy Jones commentate a boxing match? It's fucking painful. Again, being a world-class fighter doesn't make you a world class coach, or a world class commentator. Sometimes it's more important to make people chuckle once in a while to keep their attention, than it is to have a world championship belt. I've worked with/corrected so many fighters that I can practically hear what they're doing wrong, and I know what to say to help them fix it/make sense of it. That to me is a more important characteristic to have in a coach, than a long and illustrious career.

The program is also much more than just head movement, I cover counter-punching extensively and using clever head movement for entries amongst many other things... so it doesn't stop with just 'not getting your ass beat' ;-)

Regarding this:

  • You don't need to go to a gym
  • You don't need a training partner
  • You don't need any equipment
You're right in that it's mostly sales speak, but not entirely. I don't know about you, but I spend maybe 2 hours per week in a gym, and the other 10 I spend by myself... shadow boxing, hitting a heavy bag, and working on the things that interest me in the moment. Even at the gym, a small fraction of that time is with a trainer. Most of our training time, even as guys who actually understand head movement already, is done solo. I would say 90% of my training is done all by myself... and while that extra 10 percent is going to be essential in building your reactions and general comfort with sparring, I think you would agree that A WHOLE LOT OF WORK can get done without the three things mentioned above.... IF you have the right coaching points to focus on.

You won't become unhittable... but you can certainly get started in the head movement game.

@Dr. Taco... sure you can do that, but I bet you would get further with my program, just by virtue of the sheer amount of information conveyed.

@n.diazismylife: I think you're mistaken in some of your commentary. MOST people who get an interest in head movement would possibly join a gym, show up one day, wander around, hit a bag stupidly, and leave. Then they don't show up again for 3 months as their membership runs, and they spent 90-120$ on nothing. Let's say they find a trainer... they drop $30 on gym fees and $40 on a trainer... now they've spent $70 in a day, and all they learned was a jab and a cross... and got tired one time. If they don't work with a trainer... they have to teach themselves. How do you think that's gonna go? I just don't see why $90 is a stretch for a comprehensive training program, (that pro fighters out there compliment)

(Since you asked...) I grew up training with Frankie Edgar. I certainly didn't give him his wrestling pedigree, but we were training partners for many years. When Eddie Alvarez was scheduled to fight a taller opponent, he would drive across Philadelphia to work and spar with me one-on-one in my facility. That's 2 world champs that I've worked with! (Which is better than zero).

Look... people can feel free to piece this info together with a series of boring youtube videos, but I would personally rather shell out $90 and get the job done. Members of my website know that I run sales for 50% off regularly, so in most cases, it actually costs half of what we're talking about.

In any event, I've said my piece!

If any of you guys find yourselves in the Philadelphia area, feel free to drop me a line and we will punch each other in the face.
 
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What city in PA are you in?
 
FightSmartTrav said:
Jesus they really make logging in difficult on this site... I don't know how you guys deal with it!

A couple of my members actually alerted me to this post... I only lurk when I'm being talked about ;-)

@Sano: If you want to sell something, you have to have a sales pitch... unfortunately. I try to be realistic about it. I volunteer at a gym here in PA, but I try to spend most of my time with my son. I stopped fighting because it was incredibly stressful. One minute I would be watching Pocahontas, and the next I would become nervous that the other guy was training harder than me... so I would be jumping rope in my living room. I worked myself to the point of injury CONSTANTLY, and overall it was an unhappy lifestyle for me. I didn't have anything to prove after I beat up a few pros.

@Reysenthurger: Have you ever tried to listen to Roy Jones commentate a boxing match? It's fucking painful. Again, being a world-class fighter doesn't make you a world class coach, or a world class commentator. Sometimes it's more important to make people chuckle once in a while to keep their attention, than it is to have a world championship belt. I've worked with/corrected so many fighters that I can practically hear what they're doing wrong, and I know what to say to help them fix it/make sense of it. That to me is a more important characteristic to have in a coach, than a long and illustrious career.

The program is also much more than just head movement, I cover counter-punching extensively and using clever head movement for entries amongst many other things... so it doesn't stop with just 'not getting your ass beat' ;-)

Regarding this:

  • You don't need to go to a gym
  • You don't need a training partner
  • You don't need any equipment
You're right in that it's mostly sales speak, but not entirely. I don't know about you, but I spend maybe 2 hours per week in a gym, and the other 10 I spend by myself... shadow boxing, hitting a heavy bag, and working on the things that interest me in the moment. Even at the gym, a small fraction of that time is with a trainer. Most of our training time, even as guys who actually understand head movement already, is done solo. I would say 90% of my training is done all by myself... and while that extra 10 percent is going to be essential in building your reactions and general comfort with sparring, I think you would agree that A WHOLE LOT OF WORK can get done without the three things mentioned above.... IF you have the right coaching points to focus on.

You won't become unhittable... but you can certainly get started in the head movement game.

@Dr. Taco... sure you can do that, but I bet you would get further with my program, just by virtue of the sheer amount of information conveyed.

@n.diazismylife: I think you're mistaken in some of your commentary. MOST people who get an interest in head movement would possibly join a gym, show up one day, wander around, hit a bag stupidly, and leave. Then they don't show up again for 3 months as their membership runs, and they spent 90-120$ on nothing. Let's say they find a trainer... they drop $30 on gym fees and $40 on a trainer... now they've spent $70 in a day, and all they learned was a jab and a cross... and got tired one time. If they don't work with a trainer... they have to teach themselves. How do you think that's gonna go? I just don't see why $90 is a stretch for a comprehensive training program, (that pro fighters out there compliment)

(Since you asked...) I grew up training with Frankie Edgar. I certainly didn't give him his wrestling pedigree, but we were training partners for many years. When Eddie Alvarez was scheduled to fight a taller opponent, he would drive across Philadelphia to work and spar with me one-on-one in my facility. That's 2 world champs that I've worked with! (Which is better than zero).

Look... people can feel free to piece this info together with a series of boring youtube videos, but I would personally rather shell out $90 and get the job done. Members of my website know that I run sales for 50% off regularly, so in most cases, it actually costs half of what we're talking about.

In any event, I've said my piece!

If any of you guys find yourselves in the Philadelphia area, feel free to drop me a line and we will punch each other in the face.
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i think having an accomplished trainer putting their hands on you, making adjustments and critiquing the finer details of such a nuanced part of the sport is better than watching a video series and trying to notice and correct these details yourself. Just a difference of opinion.
 
FightSmartTrav said:
@n.diazismylife: I think you're mistaken in some of your commentary. MOST people who get an interest in head movement would possibly join a gym, show up one day, wander around, hit a bag stupidly, and leave. Then they don't show up again for 3 months as their membership runs, and they spent 90-120$ on nothing. Let's say they find a trainer... they drop $30 on gym fees and $40 on a trainer... now they've spent $70 in a day, and all they learned was a jab and a cross... and got tired one time. If they don't work with a trainer... they have to teach themselves. How do you think that's gonna go? I just don't see why $90 is a stretch for a comprehensive training program, (that pro fighters out there compliment)

(Since you asked...) I grew up training with Frankie Edgar. I certainly didn't give him his wrestling pedigree, but we were training partners for many years. When Eddie Alvarez was scheduled to fight a taller opponent, he would drive across Philadelphia to work and spar with me one-on-one in my facility. That's 2 world champs that I've worked with! (Which is better than zero).

Look... people can feel free to piece this info together with a series of boring youtube videos, but I would personally rather shell out $90 and get the job done. Members of my website know that I run sales for 50% off regularly, so in most cases, it actually costs half of what we're talking about.

In any event, I've said my piece!

If any of you guys find yourselves in the Philadelphia area, feel free to drop me a line and we will punch each other in the face.
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Fair enough. My first recommendation to someone interested in head movement would still be to have them join a gym, but I'm sure there are a lot of people who would benefit from your program, especially if it's as an addition, not as the sole source. In the end it's everyone's personal call on what to spend their money on, and what you sell isn't a scam, so, fair enough.
 
So several of these posts have said they wished someone who actually bought the program would come here and post, so here I am. Not only did I buy Trav's head movement program, but I've also bought his program on fighting bigger people, the program on fighting multiple attackers, and the program on leg locks.

Now I'm a cheap bastard, so I didn't buy any of them unless they were on sale, but over the years he's caught me in a moment of weakness during one of his half price sales and I would grab one program. Then a year later I'd do the same thing with another program, etc.

I don't regret any of the purchases.

To the comment about how you can learn this stuff for free on youtube, I can tell you I actually tried that. I wasn't kidding when I said I'm a cheap bastard. I tried every way I could think of to get this info without giving this guy my money, and I found it was a pain in the ass. I watched a ton of youtube videos. Some had useful info but many of them did not, and ended up being a waste of my time. Plus every video that I could find that told me to do a certain thing, had a counter video out there that told me that's the wrong way to do it. It was very confusing for a beginner. I could not always tell who was giving good advice and who wasn't. Not to mention that a lot of youtubers can't hold the camera steady, can't speak loud enough for the mic, and tend to ramble on about nonsense, or they're really really really dry and boring.

When I finally broke down and dropped $49 on Trav's program, I immediately appreciated his teaching style. He cuts through the bullshit and gets straight to what's most useful to you, he breaks down the techniques so they're easy to do, and he explains the reasons behind why you do it a certain way. Not to mention that he's occasionally funny, which helps keep me interested.

Now for the all important question.... Can I dodge punches like Trav did in his youtube video? Well, against my teenage son, yes, I can. I have not tried against a grown man, but I seriously doubt that I would have the success that Trav had in the video.

I don't blame him for that though. I bought the program, I watched all the videos, I did all the exercises..... for a few weeks. Then I stopped. It's a combination of being both busy and lazy. But I can tell you that before doing the program, if I was 40% successful in the dodging game vs a common thug, I'm probably 60% successful now. I know that if I stuck with it longer and did the drills that I'd be much higher than that. I'm sure I'll go back and put more effort into it after I get my ass kicked.

The program ain't perfect, but it's worth the money.

Now, if you want to know the criticisms, here they are.

I believe that even if I did the program 100% and took it super serious and wasn't lazy, I would still get beat by someone who trains in a quality gym. Because while the instruction is top notch, I believe there is no substitute for live sparring with multiple partners while an expert watches and provides feedback.

I suppose you could improve your chances if you started a "FightSmart Club" in your neighborhood, where you all watched Trav's videos and then practiced on each other, although you'd still be missing the expert feedback part.

But personally, my goal was never to beat up trained fighters. My goal was to be able to increase my odds of defending myself vs your average asshole who tries to start shit. And if that is your goal, then I think Trav's videos will help you get there.

Would I be a better fighter today if I'd started training at a gym a few years ago instead of buying Trav's video? I'm sure I would. But there's only 1 gym near me and I really didn't like the culture there, so Trav's program was a nice compromise for my situation. It may not be for everyone but if you're like me then I'd say it's well worth the money.
 
Ok so here i am also

Amazingly this guy above me has done the job for me, but....... i also went ahead and got the head movement program

My take :

Im not sure exactly what i was expecting, i went into it with apprehension because before i even got it i thought how can this be worth $97, so i was expecting to be annoyed and pissed off id wasted money. I was pleasantly surprised to see 14 pages of content. Now 14 pages of content can simply be 14 pages of text with a video at the bottom of each which would be terrible. Each page actually has 5 or 6 videos where each movement is broken down in plenty of detail and any question you could have is answered, mainly because many people did have questions and he has since added videos to answer them ha. I have picked up quite a few new tips and tricks from the videos as well as having something to go back to to perfect my form on the slips.

The videos content is of a high level and covers much more than just slips ( of which there are a few i wasnt aware of), he covers things like, which slips work best if your opponent throws combination xyz, counter punching, how to enter using head movement, changing angles, how to read your opponent, combos to throw off each slip etc etc (lots of video content).

On top of this you are given workouts to do which after doing the first one tonight i can see how they are going to make my punch dodging ability fantastic. These are written workouts which you use the videos to learn the form first and then follow the workout. You also get an audio workout so you get your headphones in and away you go, 10 x 2 minute rounds of slipping as directed by sensei Trav lol. I havent reached this point yet to try it myself but Trav includes a video of him doing it and he GASSED so so badly during it its quite amusing so im looking forward to getting to it myself.

The main argument on here against buying this program is that you can get 2 or 3 privates with a real life coach, this argument kind of got me and held me back from buying it. Now ive seen the content i would say this is better. The reason being, assuming a $97 budget and thats it (to compare fairly) if i take 2 or 3 privates then thats it, done forever. This content is as good or better than you will get in a private as everything is broken down into small easy to understand detail and has the added benefit of it is yours forever. Its not like you will go home and think oh shit how did coach show me how to do that again, with this its right here infront of your face any time you need it as many times as you need it. Plus this content is probably 2 to 3 hours worth also (havent added it up) if you include the workout mp3 and videos so it really is value for money.

If youre interested in getting you head movement really high level, then i would definitely recommend this to be totally honest, i am impressed.

Bonus point that is totally irrelevant, Trav is a funny dude, i legit laughed out loud many times.
 
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