Fighters can still pass USADA testing

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After watching Icarus, the documentary exploited many holes into the drug testing system monitored by the best of the best organizations and labs. As of now, stricter regimens have been practiced over the last few years and fighters are cleaner. It’s rare to see a fighter get caught just because of the holes they’ve patched up since Jon Jones positive results after DC 2.

I’m still not convinced that the anti-doping agencies today have patched up all the holes with an intention not to. With newer drugs introduced to the pharmaceutical industry, anti-doping agencies have a list of banned substances they have in place. Hard to prove this, but I’m sure there are substances rapidly created that enhance performance and is not on the list of banned substances. It will be more a risk willing to take from a fighter but enough evidence to prove when the substances were clinically tested in lab rats and other animals.

Another hole in the system is that people in the labs are in control of the clean samples and the dirty samples. With all the surveillance systems inside the laboratories, the samples are still prone to getting around it by the control of the employee. It’s like prison. Lots of high security systems in place but yet prisoners are still able to connect with the outside world and call shots.
 
The mouse is always going to be ahead of the mousetrap when it comes to PED's, you folks that have this dream of clean sports and believe in these "clean" athletes... yeah good luck with that fantasy.
 
TimeToTrain said:
After watching Icarus, the documentary exploited many holes into the drug testing system monitored by the best of the best organizations and labs. As of now, stricter regimens have been practiced over the last few years and fighters are cleaner. It’s rare to see a fighter get caught just because of the holes they’ve patched up since Jon Jones positive results after DC 2.

I’m still not convinced that the anti-doping agencies today have patched up all the holes with an intention not to. With newer drugs introduced to the pharmaceutical industry, anti-doping agencies have a list of banned substances they have in place. Hard to prove this, but I’m sure there are substances rapidly created that enhance performance and is not on the list of banned substances. It will be more a risk willing to take from a fighter but enough evidence to prove when the substances were clinically tested in lab rats and other animals.

Another hole in the system is that people in the labs are in control of the clean samples and the dirty samples. With all the surveillance systems inside the laboratories, the samples are still prone to getting around it by the control of the employee. It’s like prison. Lots of high security systems in place but yet prisoners are still able to connect with the outside world and call shots.
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A review of designer anabolic steroids in equine sports
 
HunterAcosta said:
Yeah if people really believe that there’s no more PEDS in mma , well, I have a cure for covid I can sell you . Just IM me and it’ll only cost you $ 100,000 cause you’re a Fellow sherdogger and I like you .
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Hahahahahaha... funny AF.:p
 
accolyte1022 said:
True.

At least guys have to think about it.
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This. Of course guys are going to find ways around things. New ways of hiding become available.

But, we have seen wayyyyy more busts since USADA came along. Which really puts a dark cloud over the pre-USADA era because obviously guys had a much easier time getting away with it back then.
 
TimeToTrain said:
After watching Icarus, the documentary exploited many holes into the drug testing system monitored by the best of the best organizations and labs. As of now, stricter regimens have been practiced over the last few years and fighters are cleaner. It’s rare to see a fighter get caught just because of the holes they’ve patched up since Jon Jones positive results after DC 2.

I’m still not convinced that the anti-doping agencies today have patched up all the holes with an intention not to. With newer drugs introduced to the pharmaceutical industry, anti-doping agencies have a list of banned substances they have in place. Hard to prove this, but I’m sure there are substances rapidly created that enhance performance and is not on the list of banned substances. It will be more a risk willing to take from a fighter but enough evidence to prove when the substances were clinically tested in lab rats and other animals.

Another hole in the system is that people in the labs are in control of the clean samples and the dirty samples. With all the surveillance systems inside the laboratories, the samples are still prone to getting around it by the control of the employee. It’s like prison. Lots of high security systems in place but yet prisoners are still able to connect with the outside world and call shots.
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If you make good money in sports there is no reason you should ever fail a drug test. Look at Lance Armstrong, or Barry Bonds. They never actually failed a test, they just had people snitching on them. Lebron James never failed a drug test but his name was on the MIami HGH clinic for buying steriods. Every one of our so called heroes have juiced. There is pressure to juice playing High School Football ffs.
 
accolyte1022 said:
True.

At least guys have to think about it.
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This.

There are some guys who might have access to some advanced shit.

But for other's I think PED's are more of a pain in the ass than they are worth. They are generally not some magic bullet for performance.

I was one of the guys saying PED's were a huge issue in MMA in 2012/2013 whilst most fans were naive as fuck, now I think they are over rated on average.
 
If a fighter wants to take PEDs all they have to do is retire, leave the testing pool and do a few cycles then come back when it's cleared their system. An up and coming fighter who's in a major organisation yet can use PEDs for years and just stop taking them when they get the call from an organisation that does testing. Even in UFC if you don't have a fight coming up it's probably worth taking the chance and using PEDs maybe once a year. Worse case scenario and they do fail a test they'll probably only get at most a 12 month suspension. With the punishments so lenient a fighter is probably putting themselves at a disadvantage by not cheating.
 
jk7707 said:
Why? Because of the dozens of cheaters caught since it's start?
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Not a joke, and better than nothing, but even stricter Olympic level testing still lets many athletes through -- that's why the IOC keeps old blood samples and randomly retests them many years later to catch a lot of people who beat the original tests.

Athletes now have to use a better class of PED's, and more disciplined in following the protocol (including limiting dosage). That is an improvement -- its the equivalent of catching people for going 20 mph over the speed limit, whereas before they only caught people going 50 mph over the speed limit. People still speed, but not to the same extent.
 
thehighking said:
If a fighter wants to take PEDs all they have to do is retire, leave the testing pool and do a few cycles then come back when it's cleared their system. An up and coming fighter who's in a major organisation yet can use PEDs for years and just stop taking them when they get the call from an organisation that does testing. Even in UFC if you don't have a fight coming up it's probably worth taking the chance and using PEDs maybe once a year. Worse case scenario and they do fail a test they'll probably only get at most a 12 month suspension. With the punishments so lenient a fighter is probably putting themselves at a disadvantage by not cheating.
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They have to come in the testing pool for 6 months before they can fight if they retire and come back. So realistically you have to stop using a long time before you come back.
 
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