Fight Debate: Roy Jones JR vs Carlos Monzon

[Mad King]

FANTASY MATCH UP: If Roy Jones Jr and Carlos Monzon had met for the Middleweight Championship, who do you think would win and why? DEBATE!

Roy Jones Jr:Roy Jones, Jr. (born January 16, 1969) is an American professional boxer and actor. As a professional, he has captured numerous world titles in the middleweight, super middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight divisions. He is the only boxer in history to start his career as a light middleweight (154 lbs) and go on to win a heavyweight title.


Carlos Monzon: (August 7, 1942

 

[Breakfast Bar]

Hate the part about RJJ winning the heavyweight title...after beating about the #6 guy in the division.

But I still think he wins convincingly. I could give a long winded analysis but it basically comes down to one advantage: speed.

 

[JayElectra]

This is a difficult one. I'll mull it over.

 

[Mad King]

This is a difficult one. I'll mull it over.

I thought this one would of been a little bit harder for some. Carlos was one of the best all time. RJJ we all know his skills and really I can see Roy at his prime beating any one but this match up is one for the ages.

 

[Cracky]

I got Roy.. but close decision..cautious fight on his part

 

[goldennboy]

Come on man. Roy Jones jr.

 

[Fat Abbot]

I'd take Monzon at 160, Jones leads on the scorecards early but Monzon starts touching him midway and stops him late. Jones had some problems making middle, he faded a bit as the fight went late. I think 168 was his best weightclass, he wasn't undersized like at lh, but he wasn't struggling too hard to make like at 160. At 168 Jones is too fast and wins a clear UD, probably 9-3.

 

[Raspy Rasta**]

Got Roy in a cautious fight. Which isn't a knock on Monzon, I think he beats pretty much any other MW you can think of.

 

[Breakfast Bar]

If this is a prime versus prime matchup there was a time when RJJ would have made 160 with no problem. He moved up to 168 permanently after taking out an undefeated p4p candidate in James Toney. But that same RJJ could have made MW (like he did six moths earlier). And a year earlier he notched his other most impressive win at MW, beating Hopkins.

 

[Fat Abbot]

Roy faded late against hop, nard swept the last 4 rounds.

 

[Strykerx]

Monzon has consistency and he is better than Glen Johnson that's not a knock on Glen. Monzon doesn't falter and his pressure will get to RJJ. Over 15rds Monzon stops RJJ, 12rds 7-5
He's not getting stop, his right hand will land, can cut the ring off, he can make RJJ lead, If RJJ opts to sit back and counter than it plays into Monzon's strengths. It's overall a pretty bad match up with him.

No man found a way to beat prime Monzon. The only person in MW division history I think that might take him is Hagler, he might be able to outwork him but his chin helps tremendously . RJJ doesn't have the durability needed to do that.

 

[The President]

Monzon late KO, he'd eat Roy up eventually.

RJJ is the kind of hypothetical fights (makes sense huh), I'm surprised to see I'm not the only one to pick against him.

 

[Strykerx]

Monzon late KO, he'd eat Roy up eventually.

RJJ is the kind of hypothetical fights (makes sense huh), I'm surprised to see I'm not the only one to pick against him.

I truly think it's because we and the ones who pick Monzon actually know about Carlos Monzon and his ability. This isn't just RJJ vs a good fighter, this is RJJ vs One of the best if not the best MW of all time. What Monzon brings to the table is so hard to overcome.

 

[Carey]

I'll admit it. I'm both ignorant and biased on this one.

I can't see anyone dealing with the speed and power of Roy at 160 but I also haven't seen much of Monzon.

I doubt Monzon has seen the likes of Jones but you could probably say the same with the names reversed.

Which Monzon fights should I watch to get a feel for what he was like?

 

[GhettoWizard**]

Monzon starts too slow for Jones and doesn't recover. Jones UD

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

No one touches a prime RJJ. No one. His athleticism will never be matched. Dude could've been a gymnast FFS. Roy by UD or late stoppage.

 

[Strykerx]

I'll admit it. I'm both ignorant and biased on this one.

I can't see anyone dealing with the speed and power of Roy at 160 but I also haven't seen much of Monzon.

I doubt Monzon has seen the likes of Jones but you could probably say the same with the names reversed.

Which Monzon fights should I watch to get a feel for what he was like?

Since you don't know much about Monzon, you should know much about RJJ. If you look at the weaknesses he had, they fall into Monzon strengths. As athletic as RJJ was, he like Ali had issues with GREAT pressure fighters. The problem with Monzon is he wasn't flashy or anything like that in fact he can be super boring. He doesn't look special, slow, lanky, doesn't even trains hard and is a frequent smoker. He is also a terrible human being.

But in the ring he was unstoppable. He faced great fighters with great trainers like Eddie Futch, Angelo Dundee, and none of them could overcome him. I recommend watching his bouts with Valdes, Benvenuti. But even then you might missed what makes him so great. He is just a weird and awkward fighter,
Iron chin, powerful jab, powerful right hand, KO power, good cardio, mentally strong, very clam, great ring generalship, good defense, used his reach well and pressure guys off of it. Bernard Hopkins went as far as to say he thinks he could beat every ATG MW out there except Monzon, he wasn't sure about that one.

He only had to win the MW title once, why? Because he never lost it and retired on top. Escopeta was his nickname and it means shotgun, that's what his right hand sounded like on impact.

 

[Seano]

I still say jones at his peak was as close to unbeatable as I've ever seen. No one was really competitive with the guy.

Monzon is often called the greatest Mw ever but if you examine his record, its really no more impressive than the resume jones brings to the table.

 

[GhettoWizard**]

LMAO at the armchair analysts high-browing at "only us knowing about monzon" Monzon has excellent range, average speed and good power. Jones would slip his jabs and counter him hard and early and Monzon would be playing catch up the whole time.

 

[Seano]

Since you don't know much about Monzon, you should know much about RJJ. If you look at the weaknesses he had, they fall into Monzon strengths. As athletic as RJJ was, he like Ali had issues with GREAT pressure fighters. The problem with Monzon is he wasn't flashy or anything like that in fact he can be super boring. He doesn't look special, slow, lanky, doesn't even trains hard and is a frequent smoker. He is also a terrible human being.

But in the ring he was unstoppable. He faced great fighters with great trainers like Eddie Futch, Angelo Dundee, and none of them could overcome him. I recommend watching his bouts with Valdes, Benvenuti. But even then you might missed what makes him so great. He is just a weird and awkward fighter,
Iron chin, powerful jab, powerful right hand, KO power, good cardio, mentally strong, very clam, great ring generalship, good defense, used his reach well and pressure guys off of it. Bernard Hopkins went as far as to say he thinks he could beat every ATG MW out there except Monzon, he wasn't sure about that one.

He only had to win the MW title once, why? Because he never lost it and retired on top. Escopeta was his nickname and it means shotgun, that's what his right hand sounded like on impact.

Meh, he got a gift against briscoe in one of those fights, the draw if i remember correctly.Benvenuti was ancient when they fought as was Griffith.

Monzon never fought anyone remotely similar to jones. I don't see how monzon handles prime jones any better than anyone else did.