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Hi guys,

A partner of mine had my back last night and I was defending my neck to avoid the choke so he preceeded to put the RNC choke hold on my lower mouth/jaw, it hurt like crazy so I tapped, in fact my teeth feel a bit goofy today.

Now this guy has never ever tapped me, he does roll really hard with me and has been trying to tap me since he started around 8 months ago(I am a 1.5 year white belt).

I think this is pretty unaceptable, and to be honest I'm a bit upset that a training partner would resort to this for the tap? The thing is aswell I know the guy quite well out of training and he seems a nice guy.

I must admit after he tapped me with the facecrank i went a wee bit in rage mode and caught him in a gi choke( anger actually helped my roll lol)

I feel like next time I roll I should do this face crank back?

Whats everyone's thoughts on thus?I thought a face crank was illegal in bjj?


thanks,

cam
 
No offense but you sound like a wimp saying that. BJJ is a combat sport, its not ballet. He was applying a legit technique, and it happened to crank your face. This happens all the time in grappling and mma. Just because it is not clearly defined in BJJ doesn't mean its a dick move.
 
the answer is yes. anytime someone does something you don't like, do it right back to them. you know what they say, an eye for an eye is fair.






but seriously, if you don't like getting face cranked, then just tap before it hurts. there's nothing wrong with tapping, especially to something that can legitimately break your face. Just because it's not as clean as an rnc, doesn't mean it's not legit. And i'm sure face-crushing-etiquette varies across gyms and even individual sparring partners.



Neck cranks with out chokes are illegal in a lot of bjj comps. crushing someones face in an almost-rnc is not a neck crank.
 
Sorry if it seems like I am coming across like that, I just wasn't aware it was legal in gi?

It wasn't like it was anywhere near my neck. Fair dues if it is legal, you learn something new each day!

In any case, can someone share how to return the favour on this? :)Just RNCg rip across the Jawline?
 
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Don't ever defend a RNC with your face!

That's the first thing we get told every time we learn/drill this in class
 
Facelocks are both legal and a legitimate technique. It used to be a go-to for Sakuraba from wrestler's position back in the day. Just keep precising, your handfighting will become well developed enough to stave them off eventually.
 
BTW if you wanted to get even with him for roughing you up you should've done it then n there.




Now, I'm not saying to go one upping your training partners, but if you feel they're beign a bit hard on you then it's best to up the ante and match it with them.
 
ITRDC5 said:
Sorry if it seems like I am coming across like that, I just wasn't aware it was legal in gi?

It wasn't like it was anywhere near my neck. Fair dues if it is legal, you learn something new each day!

In any case, can someone share how to return the favour on this? :)Just RNCg rip across the Jawline?
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No it generally isn't legal in pure BJJ, definitely not at white belt. MMA? All day.

Otherwise, just put your forearm across the jaw or side of it and there you go.

Chael video up above is right on.
 
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I dont think its the kind of move you do in gym training with people you're close with

If someone from the other gym comes in and goes for a roll then I might do it to him lol
 
Hmmm i get what youre saying. Some rolls and more technical, and some rolls are aggressive and 100 miles per hour. You have to be up to the task whichever way it goes. I have guys like this also who are hell bent on getting that first tap on you because you own them everytime, and theyre using allsorts of things that arent quite ' technical' . When someone is in that mindset, i usually find they are easier to catch with something.
As Chael said above, match that intensity, dont roll over and allow it to happen, training or competition.
 
The thing is I am always very concious not to cause overdue suffering to my partners and I am quite considerate. I tap them but never harder than I should- I'm a nice guy.

All's fair in war fair enough, but personally I would never do this move to anyone.
But you can bet your ass that the next time I get this guys back, I am cranking this shit on.:icon_twis
 
I don't roll hard... but if I have your back and you "defend" my rnc with your face... well you're gonna have a bad time. That's not a proper defense, so why should you be rewarded for doing it rather than shown it's not a good defense so you won't do it again? In all actuality, I finish over half of my rear nakeds over the face because people think it's a defense or it's instinct and not a single damn is given by anyone.
 
In my opinion, there's no such thing as an illegal grappling technique in training. If those are the rules where you train then fine, but as far as I'm concerned if there's no referee and tournament, then I'm not grappling under IBJJF rules. I have no idea whether the face crank is legal in BJJ but I know that it's legit and that it works, and you sound like sour grapes to me.
 
TheHereticJay said:
I don't roll hard... but if I have your back and you "defend" my rnc with your face... well you're gonna have a bad time. That's not a proper defense, so why should you be rewarded for doing it rather than shown it's not a good defense so you won't do it again? In all actuality, I finish over half of my rear nakeds over the face because people think it's a defense or it's instinct and not a single damn is given by anyone.
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This guy knows what's up (although I do regularly defend the RNC with my face because I'm a noob).

If you're not choking and you tap because it 'hurts' I'm not going to call you a pussy...buuuuuuuuuut...it does kinda make you sound like a pussy. If you wanna defend the RNC with your face you better be able to take the pain and keep moving to try to improve your position. Personally I try not to tap to any choke unless I'm actually choking. I don't want my partners to think their technique is better than it is so if it's uncomfortable but I'm not choking I won't tap. Sometimes I escape, sometimes they adjust and get the choke. Either way I think we both get more out of it then if I just tap because it "hurts".
 
This happened to me at a recent belt test. I was upset at him but more so at myself for letting him take my back and then not having a decent defense to offer.
 
i don't usually do it, even if their defense isn't actually valid. there are just so many cleaner ways to get them than crank their face, and they're all available.
 
BJ@LW&WW said:
the answer is yes. anytime someone does something you don't like, do it right back to them. you know what they say, an eye for an eye is fair.
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An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

An older gentleman once accused me of cranking his neck in a darce choke. He was quite upset. It was from this day forward I was careful about how I applied techniques in the gym, there are so many dick moves in BJJ. Face crank RNC is one of them in my books.
 
thisISjoel said:
This guy knows what's up (although I do regularly defend the RNC with my face because I'm a noob).

If you're not choking and you tap because it 'hurts' I'm not going to call you a pussy...buuuuuuuuuut...it does kinda make you sound like a pussy. If you wanna defend the RNC with your face you better be able to take the pain and keep moving to try to improve your position. Personally I try not to tap to any choke unless I'm actually choking. I don't want my partners to think their technique is better than it is so if it's uncomfortable but I'm not choking I won't tap. Sometimes I escape, sometimes they adjust and get the choke. Either way I think we both get more out of it then if I just tap because it "hurts".
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So you don't tap to any type of joint lock, right?

I'm kidding. But yeah, I've had partners ask me, "why didn't you tap, dude", after a roll. Get what you mean 100%
 
thisISjoel said:
This guy knows what's up (although I do regularly defend the RNC with my face because I'm a noob).

If you're not choking and you tap because it 'hurts' I'm not going to call you a pussy...buuuuuuuuuut...it does kinda make you sound like a pussy. If you wanna defend the RNC with your face you better be able to take the pain and keep moving to try to improve your position. Personally I try not to tap to any choke unless I'm actually choking. I don't want my partners to think their technique is better than it is so if it's uncomfortable but I'm not choking I won't tap. Sometimes I escape, sometimes they adjust and get the choke. Either way I think we both get more out of it then if I just tap because it "hurts".
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I'll tough out somethings, but like 10 finger guillotines and over the jaw rncs... yeah, I'm tapping because I'm a bitch like that. Also, I know that a strong guy could potentially break my jaw and that's no fun.
 
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