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Extreme Talent in Combat Sports

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I always wanted to make a thread discussing this. Seems like a good time, with the lack of events and upswing in depressing news. I wanted to highlight fighters that didn't necessarily climb that high in the sport, but displayed talents or attributes that were otherworldly. Maybe get some discussion going. It's a fascination of mine.

1. Bj Penn. An obvious one. Supremely fast learner, supposedly the only fighter faster than GSP (hand speed and reaction speed), unreal flexibility, displayed feats of levitation similar to Fedor


2. Charles "Felony "Krazy Horse "Kid Khaos""" Bennett
Ridiculously athletic and explosive, incredible slams for somebody his size and dynamite in his hands to boot. Could have been champion, but never took training seriously. I refer you to Napoleon Blownapart's excellent video .... Jk, he apparently removed it. He seemed to not like that one much, maybe he's retooling it. Sorry

3. Though not MMA, shout-out to Meldrick Taylor. Absolutely phenomenal hand speed and coordination in his punches. Like watching fireworks. Went on kind of a down-swing after a bad loss to Julio Cesar Chavez


Shout-out as well to Mike Tyson, who perhaps had the most impressive peak in all of combat sports. I think disincluding boxing is a bit of a mistake, and I welcome any other combat sports additions. Imo boxing has had its bigger share of freaks than MMA (thus far), but I won't add any more atm

A few more thoughts...

I think Jon Jones could be his own entry--basically waltzed into his early fights with little to no training, a natural at everything. Claimed to learn techniques from observation, even YouTube videos. This is in contrast to, say, Anderson Silva, who struggled in his early career. Yet the peak displayed by Anderson dwarfs everybody in MMA, just in my opinion, rivaling even Mike Tyson... Which brings to question what exactly is talent? Obviously, you don't go into the Matrix without some level of talent, even if it took more time to develop than, say, Jon Jones. I think physical specimens count as "talent" as well, since it's fighting. Dis
 
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Edit: Added video to BJ Penn entry. I'm not good with gifs. Wanted to find a gif of BJ escaping a takedown by basically floating (forget which fight), and one with Fedor (vs Chael) where he does a kind of crazy barrel roll while grappling.

Thread title was originally "extreme talent in MMA," which explains some of the odd word choices. But "combat sports" just makes more sense as a whole. I assume this is still an okay place for this thread.
 
Kevin Randleman and Bethe Correira: vertical jump

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Mark Hunt: chin/durability

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Tyron Woodley: musical talent



Randy Couture: film directing
 
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Gave you a like because you highlighted Meldric Taylor. He was supremely talented and that robbery against Chavez (won 11/12 rounds then the ref waved off the fight from the 1 knockdown he suffered with 3 seconds remaining in the fight) changed him as a fighter. He was never the same post Chavez fight and was relegated to regional punching bag that was cte ridden after putting on the performance of a lifetime against a fighter that was revered as a golden GOD in Mexican boxing. Chavez was 68-0 leading into that fight which is fucking insane and Meldric entered the fucking matrix on him. I would suggest that any/everyone check out some Meldric documentaries, it is one of the more interesting and heart wrenching tales in combat sports history.
 
Cain Velazquez: high endurance for a HW
Fedor: crazy hand speed for a HW
John Lineker: big KO power for a smaller guy (partly due to his style, but still)
Here is Chael Sonnen, in a rare (and somewhat sad) video breaking character. Near the end he discusses Fedor's speed. "I always knew he was fast. The question was, is he fast, or just fast for a heavyweight? Big difference. But I never saw anything coming. And they were all power shots."
 
Bispings cardio. Reportedly had some insanely low resting heart rate back inna day.

Second Hunto's chin, add in Max's. Honorable mention to Hendo and Frankie (early career).
 
Gave you a like because you highlighted Meldric Taylor. He was supremely talented and that robbery against Chavez (won 11/12 rounds then the ref waved off the fight from the 1 knockdown he suffered with 3 seconds remaining in the fight) changed him as a fighter. He was never the same post Chavez fight and was relegated to regional punching bag that was cte ridden after putting on the performance of a lifetime against a fighter that was revered as a golden GOD in Mexican boxing. Chavez was 68-0 leading into that fight which is fucking insane and Meldric entered the fucking matrix on him. I would suggest that any/everyone check out some Meldric documentaries, it is one of the more interesting and heart wrenching tales in combat sports history.
The ref asked him twice if he was ok and he did not respond to him. What is the ref there for if not to do his job? Its sad for him that it happened that way,but if you get knocked down and cant respond to the ref,its the end of the fight
 
Haven't seen this in awhile. Insane. Below is him jumping out of three feet of water. Guy was a freak athlete.


IMO BJ was the greatest talent to ever come to the UFC, but his work ethic destroyed him. Imagine a BJ Penn who worked his ass off to improve his game, implementing kicks and takedowns. He probably would have been the undisputed GOAT..

Somewhere in a parallel universe people got to see that^^ BJ Penn. Unfortunately for us, we got this guy vv...:(

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IMO BJ was the greatest talent to ever come to the UFC, but his work ethic destroyed him. Imagine a BJ Penn who worked his ass off to improve his game, implementing kicks and takedowns. He probably would have been the undisputed GOAT..

Somewhere in a parallel universe people got to see that^^ BJ Penn. Unfortunately for us, we got this guy vv...:(

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Agree 100% it was a terrible fall from grace. I'll never forget the Penn we got to see from 2001-2009 though. Still one of the top fighters ever, but you're right. Could've/should've been the GOAT, but is not.
 
The ref asked him twice if he was ok and he did not respond to him. What is the ref there for if not to do his job? Its sad for him that it happened that way,but if you get knocked down and cant respond to the ref,its the end of the fight
He was fine and it was just a flash knockdown with 3 seconds left after winning the entire fight up until that point. He suffered a horrific injury behind his eye socket (from the 3rd round and was never the same fighter again) also he spent 4 days in the hospital and received 2 pints of blood. It was just always so sad to me seeing the way he put everything on the line to have it ripped away from him in the final seconds. And then end up in abject poverty with terrible cte. A horrific cautionary tale of what can happen to fighters.
 
He was fine and it was just a flash knockdown with 3 seconds left after winning the entire fight up until that point. He suffered a horrific injury behind his eye socket (from the 3rd round and was never the same fighter again) also he spent 4 days in the hospital and received 2 pints of blood. It was just always so sad to me seeing the way he put everything on the line to have it ripped away from him in the final seconds. And then end up in abject poverty with terrible cte. A horrific cautionary tale of what can happen to fighters.
He wasnt fine if he couldnt answer the ref. He may have been winning on points,but Chavez landed many heavy blows which was closing both his eyes,and he was badly hurt on that late knockdown. I dont know how anyone could call that a flash knockdown. He needed the ropes to be be able to get up at 5
 
Mike Pyle. But only in the gym. Ask Joe Rogan.
 
Don't know anything about Taylor, but the other 5 that you mentioned also grew up fighting in the streets from a very young age.

Penn's rich parents paying for private lessons BJJ instruction sure as h-ll didn't hurt, either.

IMO BJ was the greatest talent to ever come to the UFC, but his work ethic destroyed him. Imagine a BJ Penn who worked his ass off to improve his game, implementing kicks and takedowns. He probably would have been the undisputed GOAT..

Somewhere in a parallel universe people got to see that^^ BJ Penn. Unfortunately for us, we got this guy vv...:(

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He never seemed to really take his professional career seriously.
D-mn shame.
 
I always wanted to make a thread discussing this. Seems like a good time, with the lack of events and upswing in depressing news. I wanted to highlight fighters that didn't necessarily climb that high in the sport, but displayed talents or attributes that were otherworldly. Maybe get some discussion going. It's a fascination of mine.

1. Bj Penn. An obvious one. Supremely fast learner, supposedly the only fighter faster than GSP (hand speed and reaction speed), unreal flexibility, displayed feats of levitation similar to Fedor


2. Charles "Felony "Krazy Horse "Kid Khaos""" Bennett
Ridiculously athletic and explosive, incredible slams for somebody his size and dynamite in his hands to boot. Could have been champion, but never took training seriously. I refer you to Napoleon Blownapart's excellent video .... Jk, he apparently removed it. He seemed to not like that one much, maybe he's retooling it. Sorry

3. Though not MMA, shout-out to Meldrick Taylor. Absolutely phenomenal hand speed and coordination in his punches. Like watching fireworks. Went on kind of a down-swing after a bad loss to Julio Cesar Chavez


Shout-out as well to Mike Tyson, who perhaps had the most impressive peak in all of combat sports. I think disincluding boxing is a bit of a mistake, and I welcome any other combat sports additions. Imo boxing has had its bigger share of freaks than MMA (thus far), but I won't add any more atm

A few more thoughts...

I think Jon Jones could be his own entry--basically waltzed into his early fights with little to no training, a natural at everything. Claimed to learn techniques from observation, even YouTube videos. This is in contrast to, say, Anderson Silva, who struggled in his early career. Yet the peak displayed by Anderson dwarfs everybody in MMA, just in my opinion, rivaling even Mike Tyson... Which brings to question what exactly is talent? Obviously, you don't go into the Matrix without some level of talent, even if it took more time to develop than, say, Jon Jones. I think physical specimens count as "talent" as well, since it's fighting. Dis

Great post. I'd add Cyril Gane to this list, even as at least an honorable mention.
Dude is relatively new to the sport yet has risen to such heights already.
Supposedly played basketball before but actually already looks pro level here (at least looks like a natural; for sure he'd be a pro here haha)

He just seems like a natural at everything he does. Even dancing.
 
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