Epistane?

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Thinking of trying this but keep reading mixed reviews.
Anyone use this?.Had any good? Bad? experiences.Would you recomend it for someone who has to do a lot of cardio and not just work on strength?.Also what sort of PCT did you use?.
Im looking to cut but keep muscle and this looked the best legal product i could find.
 
For epistane, yes you need a pct.

3 week PCT minimum.
You'll need a liver support product (milk thistle etc)
You'll need an anti-estrogen (6-oxo, novedex-xt, etc)
 
you don't need PCT for epistane if you pulse cycle it, and in the long run you'll end up getting better gains.
 
what chem is this derived from out of curiousity?
 
From what I've read, Havoc is the same compound, but the company is more reliable. Apparently some batches of Epistane didn't test out as having exactly what they said they had.
 
stewy37 said:
From what I've read, Havoc is the same compound, but the company is more reliable. Apparently some batches of Epistane didn't test out as having exactly what they said they had.
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from what ive read that was just one company trying to sling dirt on the other.

they were comparing numbers and they didnt add up or something, i followed it as closely as i could without a chemistry degree, but it turned out that both products are what they claim to be, and are very good (there are logs on forums written by users that show great progress from both products)


i wouldnt recommend this if you are either young or inexperienced with things like this, and since youre looking to cut and maintain muscle, id recommend waiting untill after you cut down, (unless you are using something that could be catabolic to your muscle.) when you can take in more calories to build the muscle.
 
I got some clomid to use for my PCT not looking forward to it but do you think i would need to use hcg also?.
 
Minus_83 said:
from what ive read that was just one company trying to sling dirt on the other.

they were comparing numbers and they didnt add up or something, i followed it as closely as i could without a chemistry degree, but it turned out that both products are what they claim to be, and are very good (there are logs on forums written by users that show great progress from both products)


i wouldnt recommend this if you are either young or inexperienced with things like this, and since youre looking to cut and maintain muscle, id recommend waiting untill after you cut down, (unless you are using something that could be catabolic to your muscle.) when you can take in more calories to build the muscle.
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I did a bit more reading myself, and it seems the issue isn't so much with the individual companies as the fact that they get their supplies from China. Basically, one guy tested them both and found them to be almost the same with a very minor difference. He didn't know exactly which one was the "real" substance but was able to confirm that even though both companies said they had the same stuff, their products were different. At this time people were getting results with Havoc but not as well with Epistane.

Well, a little bit later, someone tested the substances and this time they were again different and again there was the question of which one was real. At that time, reviews showed people getting better results from Epistane than from Havoc.

Basically, it's a crapshoot as to whether these companies are getting what they paid for, and they don't really test it. They just cap it and pass it on to the consumer. Than, in the end it's the consumer that may or may not get what he expected.
 
stewy37 said:
I did a bit more reading myself, and it seems the issue isn't so much with the individual companies as the fact that they get their supplies from China. Basically, one guy tested them both and found them to be almost the same with a very minor difference. He didn't know exactly which one was the "real" substance but was able to confirm that even though both companies said they had the same stuff, their products were different. At this time people were getting results with Havoc but not as well with Epistane.

Well, a little bit later, someone tested the substances and this time they were again different and again there was the question of which one was real. At that time, reviews showed people getting better results from Epistane than from Havoc.

Basically, it's a crapshoot as to whether these companies are getting what they paid for, and they don't really test it. They just cap it and pass it on to the consumer. Than, in the end it's the consumer that may or may not get what he expected.
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Intresting i never heard about that.
Ive heard its as good as any oral steriod so seen as its cheap and easy to get im gonna try a cycle
 
TX911 said:
again, pulse cycle it and you won't need a fucking pct.
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this is dangerous advice, i would NEVER give anyone advice like this on a subject such as the one were discussing.

there is alot of debate about pulsing, and while it works, its just like anything else, and not the safest option for every person.

espiecally for inexperienced users.


also, on the subject of Havoc VS Epistane, people are seeing very good results from both, and had been the entire time, but the only reason people are reporting "better" results from epistane is its appearent ability to reduce or eliminate gyno.
 
Epistane & havoc are the same fucking chemical compound.

the discrepencies that people are seeing in their results are due to 2 factors:

1. Non-responders
2. Supply chain issues (sometimes the people supplying raw chems to the supplement company aren't giving them what they say they are)

Epistane/havoc are not extremely suppressive (from what I've read) and people say they see results very fast with it. There are several better places than here to find good info on prohormones.
 
Minus_83 said:
this is dangerous advice, i would NEVER give anyone advice like this on a subject such as the one were discussing.

there is alot of debate about pulsing, and while it works, its just like anything else, and not the safest option for every person.

espiecally for inexperienced users.


also, on the subject of Havoc VS Epistane, people are seeing very good results from both, and had been the entire time, but the only reason people are reporting "better" results from epistane is its appearent ability to reduce or eliminate gyno.
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yeah, it's so dangerous that it's recommended as being far safer by some of the most notable names (with the abbreviation Dr. in front) in the fucking industry. It's not very suppressive and combats gyno in and of itself as well, so anyone with half a brain and even a shred of experience, apparantly you have neither, will pretty much all agree that for a first timer, pulse cycling with this particular compound is safer than running it non-stop then hitting your fucking system with meds like Clomid or Nolva. Pulse cycling was designed almost exclusively with first timers in mind to prevent long term liver sides and HPTA suppression. I hope you weren't serious with that shit and if you were i'd like a prescription for whatever the fuck you're on
 
What would be a good example of a pulse? MWF 10,20,30 then stay at 30? I'm absolutely retarded at this so info would be sweet ass.
 
StrikerStatus said:
What would be a good example of a pulse? MWF 10,20,30 then stay at 30? I'm absolutely retarded at this so info would be sweet ass.
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Pulse, as in 10mg for 2 weeks, 2 weeks off, 20mg for 2 weeks, 2 weeks off, 30mg for 2 weeks, 6 weeks off

Or 10mg 5 days on, 2 days off, 20mg 5 days on, 2 weeks off, 20mg 5 days on, 2 days off, 30mg 5 days on, 2 weeks off, 30mg 5 days on, 2 days off, 30mg 5 days on, 6 weeks off
 
So since Havoc comes in 10mg increments, would you take all 20 or 30 at the same time like upon waking or would it be spaced evenly throughout the day due to half-life? I'm clueless in this and all info (hardhart and tx911) appreciated.
 
Hello, there are various types of epistane available in the market but I believe that who content the good quantity of estrogenic and anabolic acids that is gonna be good for your health.. Cause these things gives you power , strength, increase your muscle size and I guess you don't need to take PCT with this.


epistane
 
StrikerStatus said:
So since Havoc comes in 10mg increments, would you take all 20 or 30 at the same time like upon waking or would it be spaced evenly throughout the day due to half-life? I'm clueless in this and all info (hardhart and tx911) appreciated.
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Striker, I'm not sure on the half-life of epistane/havoc. Basically, if it has longer than a 12 hour half life, you should be ok taking it all in the morning. If the half life is shorter than 12 hours, then you may want to take 1/1 or 2/1 or 1/2. Whatever.

Also, the half-life lends itself to the viability of pulsing. If something has a 40hr half-life pulsing with less than a week off isn't gonna do shit.
 
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