Effectiveness of Aikido

Dude Anderson Silva has also danced around the cage acting like a fool. He has also knocked a guy out with an elbow move that he saw on Ong Bak.

Do you really think he takes himself all that seriously? This is a joke.
 
Yes, that's why there are so many aikido practitioners doing well in MMA competitions...
 
The thing is I'm not trying to say the video was all that, but I was just looking for people that might have done Aikido, to see if their techniques have any application in real combat. I think after seeing San Shou, Karate and TKD specialists do well in the cage, with certain aspects of these martial arts having obvious value, that perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Aikido.
 
I really don't want to touch on the topic of what works in real life but I can say that I roll with a few Aikido BB and have talked to them personally on the matter of "how much their experience helps" and they say, at least in respect to BJJ, not a whole lot.

What I will say is I need to be cautious of getting wrist looked a lot but that's not a big deal.
 
Is there any video of an Aikido practitioner actually defending himself with Aikido?
 
I'm pretty sure Roy Dean is an aikido black belt. He's also a BJJ black belt under Roy Harris, but he made some comments about the aikido helping in certain situations. It seems like pure aikido isn't really trained against resisting opponents which is going to make it basically impossible to apply in a practical way.
 
I would say there's something to learn from Aikido, something maybe, but not alot, especially not for something that's as frantic as a real MMA fight.
 
Gus Chiggins said:
Does this stuff work in a real fight? I used to think it was a joke, but after seeing Machida and Anderson train with Seagal for a long period of time and learn his moves, I'm beginning to wonder if I'm missing something.

Here are the videos:

YouTube - Anderson Silva treina c/ Steven Seagal

YouTube - Lyoto Machida training with Steven Seagal
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Machida using Aikido during Nakamura fight:
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There's a thread on Machida's Aikido from 2 years ago. Jason Delucia (Aikido) weighs in as well:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/machidas-aikido-throw-vs-nak-gif-inside-648154/
 
Samael said:
I'm pretty sure Roy Dean is an aikido black belt. He's also a BJJ black belt under Roy Harris, but he made some comments about the aikido helping in certain situations. It seems like pure aikido isn't really trained against resisting opponents which is going to make it basically impossible to apply in a practical way.
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Sensei Dean is a BJJ, Aikido, Judo and Japanese JuJitsu black belt. He has an incredible wealth of martial knowledge. You can easily see the influence of his traditional training when you watch his videos in his teachings and his students.

He talks about ranges of combat alot. Aikido is right before the attack. You have to react in that split second where you join with the opponent. Judo is when a ckinch is acheived and BJJ is the ground aspect. All of them are sister arts to old style hard Japanese Jujitsu.

The problem with Aikido is the lack of sparring. Also, the wrist are supported with gloves and tape that most Aikido type wrist locks are not going to work. After many years in striking arts I took Aikido privates for about 2 years after I tore my ACL. I wanted something low impact while healing. I learned alot about distancing, getting off the line of attack, attacking an opponent's center and it made my breakfalls really strong. It really made me want to grapple with resistance. Drilling techniques makes it impossiple to guage your progress. When I started Judo and BJJ guys always commented on how I moved and flowed with techniques. So I guess what I am saying is Aikido can teach you some important things, sport fighting is not one of them. Yes, the skills you learn can transfer over.

This is what Roy says about classical training:
"I believe in classical training, because many of the requirements and exercises in these older arts can help further the range and skills of a martial artist, even if they aren
 
ShindoNinja said:
Aikido is right before the attack. You have to react in that split second where you join with the opponent.
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This is true. Aikido is basically a detailed study on the transition between striking range and clinch range. While very interesting and potent if used correctly, you also have to be able to strike, clinch, and grapple to be effective. Most practitioners can't.

As an Aikido black belt and BJJ practitioner, here's my take:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/akido-myth-fact-1345495/index5.html#post43071311
 
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ShindoNinja said:
The problem with Aikido is the lack of sparring. "
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From what I've been reading it seems to depend on the branch of Aikido you practice. Yoshinkan, Yoseikan and Tomiki/Shokodan Aikido seem to have randori and sparring and is a much more hard/Pre WWII style than the other softer style Aikidos.
 
BruceLeeMMA said:
There's a thread on Machida's Aikido from 2 years ago. Jason Delucia (Aikido) weighs in as well:
http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/machidas-aikido-throw-vs-nak-gif-inside-648154/
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For those of you that don't want to scroll through 262 posts to find the one Delucia made:

Jason DeLucia said:
i don't know where he's is from?but machida has text book aikido .anyone who wants to argue does it work this is perfect,and you can call it what you want .this is the wave of the future.
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EGDM said:
This is true. Aikido is basically a detailed study on the transition between striking range and clinch range. While very interesting and potent if used correctly, you also have to be able to strike, clinch, and grapple to be effective. Most practitioners can't.

As an Aikido black belt and BJJ practitioner, here's my take:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f12/akido-myth-fact-1345495/index5.html#post43071311
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Exactly. you need a back up plan. Ueshiba had a background plan. He had extensive training in a hard style of Japanese Jujitsu. Modern Aikidoka (most) don't have something to fall back on and are literally a fish out of water on the ground. I grappled higher leveled Aikido guys from my old school after I had very little ground experience.

Your post should be in the FAQ's. Every month or so there is someone asking about Aikido.
 
Gus Chiggins said:
The thing is I'm not trying to say the video was all that, but I was just looking for people that might have done Aikido, to see if their techniques have any application in real combat. I think after seeing San Shou, Karate and TKD specialists do well in the cage, with certain aspects of these martial arts having obvious value, that perhaps we shouldn't be so quick to dismiss Aikido.
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difference is that those three you mentioned all have live sparring with varying levels of semi to full contact

and competitions
 
I don't know what steven seagal is trying to achieve with this, but it's just ridiculous.
 
nni said:
I don't see Machida touching the leg.
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he didn't need to

Machida has trained in sumo and BJJ and Karate

some styles of karate has got throws and trips in them

even in his BJJ training it is not totally out of the question that he came across some judo

he did seem to have fun with Ishii
 
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