NBA Do you think Vince Carter could've been as good as Kobe Bryant?

Do you think Vince Carter could've been as good as Kobe Bryant?

  • Yes, a motivated/hardworking Carter would have been one of the greats.

    Votes: 5 27.8%
  • No, I don't think so.

    Votes: 13 72.2%

  • Total voters
    18

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No question in my mind Vince Carter is athletically more gifted.

But he lacked the hard work and dedication that Kobe had.

Kobe also had a better killer instincts.

Thoughts?

 
I don't think the best player in the world has probably ever been the most athletically gifted. There are too many other factors that contribute to success like the work ethic you mentioned, towards skills training, which is the ultimate divider, but there also things like luck; after all, if you're born in a place where there is no money, no basketball courts or sports training facilities, no basketball culture or knowledge, and it's a struggle just to eat, then you're probably not going to succeed.

But beyond that, I dunno, it's so hard to assess the intangibles. It's easy to record a 3/4 sprint time or a vertical leap height.

It's much harder to assess how someone's brain processes his vision of the court, and all of the bodies flying around it. It's harder to figure out exactly how muscle memory works, so that some guys improve more than other with fewer repetitions, but maybe more importantly, how this applies to their ability to make the right adjustments on the fly when you're doing something that is only mostly similar to something you practiced before, but not identical. It's harder to understand why some guys are so good at timing, understanding rhythm, you know, patterns of movement, and how to disrupt them, so that-- for example-- they get their opponents off balance, and blast by them, not necessarily because they are quicker or more agile. It's harder when you're watching a game of basketball to tell which players are inherently the best at balancing their bodies.

I believe there is (neuro)physical talent for a lot of these intangibles, too, they're just nearly impossible to assess. The point is I'm not confident I truly know who is the most naturally talented player out there even independent of work ethic, game-time hustle, and champion psychology.
 
I don't think the best player in the world has probably ever been the most athletically gifted. There are too many other factors that contribute to success like the work ethic you mentioned, towards skills training, which is the ultimate divider, but there also things like luck; after all, if you're born in a place where there is no money, no basketball courts or sports training facilities, no basketball culture or knowledge, and it's a struggle just to eat, then you're probably not going to succeed.

But beyond that, I dunno, it's so hard to assess the intangibles. It's easy to record a 3/4 sprint time or a vertical leap height.

It's much harder to assess how someone's brain processes his vision of the court, and all of the bodies flying around it. It's harder to figure out exactly how muscle memory works, so that some guys improve more than other with fewer repetitions, but maybe more importantly, how this applies to their ability to make the right adjustments on the fly when you're doing something that is only mostly similar to something you practiced before, but not identical. It's harder to understand why some guys are so good at timing, understanding rhythm, you know, patterns of movement, and how to disrupt them, so that-- for example-- they get their opponents off balance, and blast by them, not necessarily because they are quicker or more agile. It's harder when you're watching a game of basketball to tell which players are inherently the best at balancing their bodies.

I believe there is (neuro)physical talent for a lot of these intangibles, too, they're just nearly impossible to assess. The point is I'm not confident I truly know who is the most naturally talented player out there even independent of work ethic, game-time hustle, and champion psychology.

Very well said, thanks.
 
Nah, Vince didn't have that second gear when it mattered, and he also had a shitty attitude. I remember all the Raptor drama with him. Once he signed that big deal and they basically made him GM, he could barely play half a season due to injuries, and made great decisions like getting a 95 year old Hakeem Olajuwon on the team, because he wanted to play with his hero. Once the team started to tank, in part to him, the cornerstone of the franchise, always being injured, he demanded a trade while absolving himself of any responsibility to the dumpster fire he helped create.

Athletically, he's as good as anyone in history. Missing certain intangibles you can't teach, though, like leadership.
 
The game is filled with gifted athletes who were only pretty good players. Carter was pretty good but not great. Kobe had more heart, desire and had a much more complete game.
 
Vince had lots of potential, but he was a bit of a mental midget. He was content with his level of success and never wanted to take it to the next level.

Questions like these are pointless. What if Kobe was as athletically gifted as Vince? At the end of the day, we saw who they were as players. Kobe was willing to put everything on the line to win and was more than gifted enough to make it happen.
 
Vince looked GREAT for like 3 years then became a role player . Kobe is a top 15 ever player
 
Vince was more physically gifted, but not as skilled as Kobe IMO. His handle wasn't as good and he didn't have as deep a bag.
 
Vince's cousin Tracy McGrady could have if he worked as hard as Kobe at it. Won the scoring title in 2003 and scored 13 points in 35 seconds in 2004.
 
In before someone mentions killer instance or mamba mentality. Lmao
 
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