Difference between Anaconda and Arm-in Guillotine

[G10]

Hey guys, I've only been training in no-gi grappling for a few months, so I'm still learning a lot. However, I've been a MMA fan for a long time, and a question I've been wondering for a while is the difference between an anaconda choke and an arm-in guillotine. I've seen a few fights that have ended in both techniques, but they look virtually the same. What am I missing guys?

 

[Calibur]

The biggest thing is with the Anaconda choke the guy is being choked by his own shoulder going across his face. With the arm in gullotine the guy isn’t really being choked by his own shoulder. It’s being choked by the opponents sternum (the way I do it. )

basicslly an anaconda choke has the victims arm trapped between his body and his opponents and the arm in gullotine is more chest to chest. The arms dangling on the outside.

 

[DoctorTaco]

One you should probably give up on and the other you can adjust and finish

 

[randomg1t]

One you should probably give up on and the other you can adjust and finish

well that doesn't sound right.

 

[DoctorTaco]

well that doesn't sound right.

arm in Guillotine is a fools errand. The large majority of the time it leads no where. Release it my brother, and pursue more noble finishes

 

[RemyR]

arm in Guillotine is a fools errand. The large majority of the time it leads no where. Release it my brother, and pursue more noble finishes

wat

 

[shunyata]

 

[DoctorTaco]

wat

im just referring to the standing version, usually applied against the cage when someone shoots on you. People grab it and burn their arms out trying to finish but it’s never tight enough to get it done

 

[EndlessCritic]

They are two submissions which connect quite well, but I don't think any layperson would say they look the same.

Here's a typical arm in guillotine finishing position:

Anaconda choke finishing position:

Now, where you get into a gray area is where guys go for the anaconda grip, and jump to closed guard, like Charles Oliveira vs Hatsu Hioki. This one blurs the line between an anaconda choke and arm-in guillotine. (Personally I would call it a guillotine, but most databases have it recorded as an anaconda.)

And then of course you have countless guys who like to attack the arm in guillotine and transition it into the anaconda, which gives you a perfect idea of how these two submissions connect:

 

[Peteyandjia]

arm in Guillotine is a fools errand. The large majority of the time it leads no where. Release it my brother, and pursue more noble finishes

All you are saying here, is that you don't have a very good arm-in guillotine. That's a reflection on you, not the technique. If you wanted to, with the right instruction, you could absolutely learn how to make your arm-in guillotine clean & lethal.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to sound like a badass; I would list for you all the submissions I myself have not mastered, but I'm not sure the forum's character limit for a single post could handle it. However, I do blame myself for each & every one of them.

 

[DoctorTaco]

All you are saying here, is that you don't have a very good arm-in guillotine. That's a reflection on you, not the technique. If you wanted to, with the right instruction, you could absolutely learn how to make your arm-in guillotine clean & lethal.

And just to be clear, I'm not trying to sound like a badass; I would list for you all the submissions I myself have not mastered, but I'm not sure the forum's character limit for a single post could handle it. However, I do blame myself for each & every one of them.

i haven’t trained grappling in years, I’m just going off of what I see in fights and in the gym. From Saturday Sparring on up to the UFC it appears pretty rare to finish an arm in Guillotine. Worse, young guys who don’t know better will hold on to them too long and end up burning out their arms or losing the position.

 

[G10]

They are two submissions which connect quite well, but I don't think any layperson would say they look the same.

Here's a typical arm in guillotine finishing position:

Anaconda choke finishing position:

Now, where you get into a gray area is where guys go for the anaconda grip, and jump to closed guard, like Charles Oliveira vs Hatsu Hioki. This one blurs the line between an anaconda choke and arm-in guillotine. (Personally I would call it a guillotine, but most databases have it recorded as an anaconda.)

And then of course you have countless guys who like to attack the arm in guillotine and transition it into the anaconda, which gives you a perfect idea of how these two submissions connect:

Yeah, I was referring to the kind of sub that Oliveira used on Hioki. I would think that's an arm-in guillotine, too. Thanks for the breakdown!

 

[EndlessCritic]

i haven’t trained grappling in years, I’m just going off of what I see in fights and in the gym. From Saturday Sparring on up to the UFC it appears pretty rare to finish an arm in Guillotine. Worse, young guys who don’t know better will hold on to them too long and end up burning out their arms or losing the position.

Have you heard of Jack Hermansson? He's extremely successful with his arm in guillotine variation.

Makwan Amirkhani has two UFC submissions going arm in guillotine to anaconda.

A guy like Patricio Freire is extremely successful with the traditional arm-in guillotine:

 

[ChickenBrother]

Now, where you get into a gray area is where guys go for the anaconda grip, and jump to closed guard, like Charles Oliveira vs Hatsu Hioki. This one blurs the line between an anaconda choke and arm-in guillotine. (Personally I would call it a guillotine, but most databases have it recorded as an anaconda.)

To this I'd add that guys with freaky long arms can attack both anacondas and d'arce chokes from unexpected angles. We used to have a purple who was 6' 3" with an 83" reach. If he was on top and you were playing knee shield HG, he'd bait you into going for an underhook then would just slap on a d'arce or anaconda and finish like a mounted no arm guillotine. I had to remind myself to not go for underhooks on him and he was the only guy in our gym who could threaten anaconda or d'arce from that position. His arms were too long to even finish a regular guillotine because you'd have a comical amount of space to escape.

 

[Peteyandjia]

i haven’t trained grappling in years, I’m just going off of what I see in fights and in the gym. From Saturday Sparring on up to the UFC it appears pretty rare to finish an arm in Guillotine. Worse, young guys who don’t know better will hold on to them too long and end up burning out their arms or losing the position.

I feel like the arm-in guillotine is a fine wine, a good indicator of how proficient someone's front headlock game is. Lots of people have a decent or serviceable classic guillotine; if they can hit the arm-in, that tells me they are a specialist.

Also, if they can get the tap quickly, rather than a long protracted crankfest. That tells me it's clean. That goes for any version of the guillotine though.

In MMA, an example that springs to mind is Glover Teixiera. He hit an arm-in, & his opponent was already being strangled before they hit the floor. Also, Jake Shields arm-inned Robbie Lawler in Strikeforce back in the day. That thing looked tight as a python.

 

[DoctorTaco]

I feel like the arm-in guillotine is a fine wine, a good indicator of how proficient someone's front headlock game is. Lots of people have a decent or serviceable classic guillotine; if they can hit the arm-in, that tells me they are a specialist.

Also, if they can get the tap quickly, rather than a long protracted crankfest. That tells me it's clean. That goes for any version of the guillotine though.

In MMA, an example that springs to mind is Glover Teixiera. He hit an arm-in, & his opponent was already being strangled before they hit the floor. Also, Jake Shields arm-inned Robbie Lawler in Strikeforce back in the day. That thing looked tight as a python.

shields had such a nasty game off his back. Great examples

 

[ChickenBrother]

I feel like the arm-in guillotine is a fine wine, a good indicator of how proficient someone's front headlock game is. Lots of people have a decent or serviceable classic guillotine; if they can hit the arm-in, that tells me they are a specialist.

Also, if they can get the tap quickly, rather than a long protracted crankfest. That tells me it's clean. That goes for any version of the guillotine though.

In MMA, an example that springs to mind is Glover Teixiera. He hit an arm-in, & his opponent was already being strangled before they hit the floor. Also, Jake Shields arm-inned Robbie Lawler in Strikeforce back in the day. That thing looked tight as a python.

A detail I've found that really tightens an arm in guillotine is right before jumping into closed guard, lifting other guy up toward the ceiling before falling back. You can see Glover do this right after his opponent takes a knee. Tough to see what grip Glover is using but our coach and fighters at my gym like arm in and use gable grip under opponent's armpit. I've been on the receiving end of this many times and it can be high % for sure.

 

[mattemate]

The biggest thing is with the Anaconda choke the guy is being choked by his own shoulder going across his face. With the arm in gullotine the guy isn’t really being choked by his own shoulder. It’s being choked by the opponents sternum (the way I do it. )

basicslly an anaconda choke has the victims arm trapped between his body and his opponents and the arm in gullotine is more chest to chest. The arms dangling on the outside.

For the life of me I can't figure out how to strangle someone with my sternum.

 

[Calibur]

For the life of me I can't figure out how to strangle someone with my sternum.

Just bring your choking arm down while pulling your non choking elbow up. That's tighten the choke and also bring their neck into your sternum

 

[mattemate]

Just bring your choking arm down while pulling your non choking elbow up. That's tighten the choke and also bring their neck into your sternum

Can't see it. You have to come to Texas now and show me

Also, your fucking Tozi is literally the only pass I do from the knees at this point. I still fuck with Relson's pass just to keep it from getting rusty, but I'm slicing through guards like butter. I'll just give them my arm to overhook, and ten seconds later they're wondering how I got to side control.