Did Kevin Lee actually have a reach advantage against Daniel Rodriguez?

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On paper FKL had a 3" reach advantage, yet if you actually watched the fight he appeared to actually have a reach disadvantage.

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FKL clearly has longer arms but has to look up to meet DRod's gaze.

Two thoughts:
1) nobody fights with their arms outstretched like a starfish so cut any reach advantage in half. 3" is more like 1.5" in reality
2) Even though Kevin has longer arms if he's throwing a head strike he has to reach up while DRod can reach straight across
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Just a shame the UFC could never figure out where Kevin Lee fit into all of this. Misses weight twice at lightweight, then goes up and is clearly undersized at welterweight. Has there even been a better posterboy for a 162.5 division? (Or create 165 and move 170 to 175.)
 
Reach = Length of Arms (Right to Left)

Reach =- Height
The point is Kevin was actually at a reach disadvantage despite having a longer reach
His fists were further from the target than his opponent's fists
 
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On paper FKL had a 3" reach advantage, yet if you actually watched the fight he appeared to actually have a reach disadvantage.

kevin-lee-daniel-rodriguez-ufc-on-espn-30-official-weigh-ins.jpg

FKL clearly has longer arms but has to look up to meet DRod's gaze.

Two thoughts:
1) nobody fights with their arms outstretched like a starfish so cut any reach advantage in half. 3" is more like 1.5" in reality
2) Even though Kevin has longer arms if he's throwing a head strike he has to reach up while DRod can reach straight across
daniel-rodriguez-kevin-lee-ufc-on-espn-30-1.jpg

Just a shame the UFC could never figure out where Kevin Lee fit into all of this. Misses weight twice at lightweight, then goes up and is clearly undersized at welterweight. Has there even been a better posterboy for a 162.5 division? (Or create 165 and move 170 to 175.)


I am interested in how D -Rod performs in his next fights. Kevin, wanted to root for him, he seem exciting, but does punk moves that makes me not like him. In the DRod fight I was rooting for Lee, then, by 2nd round with his punk move I rooted for DRod..now interested in what happens with DRod. I just don't care for Lee's personality but wish him the best despite being a punk.
 
1. nobody looks at reach in that way, having longer arms is an advantage, trying to factor height in, etc is pointless.

2.Lee lost almost every time he took a step up in competition.

another overhyped prospect probably would never go on a title run but I would have liked to see him stick around in the ufc, would have liked to see him at 170 more and usman wont be around forever
 
1. nobody looks at reach in that way, having longer arms is an advantage, trying to factor height in, etc is pointless.

2.Lee lost almost every time he took a step up in competition.

another overhyped prospect probably would never go on a title run but I would have liked to see him stick around in the ufc, would have liked to see him at 170 more and usman wont be around forever
Why is it pointless?

Actually watch the fight and tell me DRod didn't have an easier time physically reaching the target
 
Why is it pointless?

Actually watch the fight and tell me DRod didn't have an easier time physically reaching the target

so you're saying that being tall is also an advantage if you know how to use it?

yeah it is but the reach is the reach no matter what

short fighters beat taller fighters all the time
 
I am interested in how D -Rod performs in his next fights. Kevin, wanted to root for him, he seem exciting, but does punk moves that makes me not like him. In the DRod fight I was rooting for Lee, then, by 2nd round with his punk move I rooted for DRod..now interested in what happens with DRod. I just don't care for Lee's personality but wish him the best despite being a punk.
Rodriguez always comes to fight, he has some very slick striking, I've been a fan. The guy doesn't talk much too and just fights, which is a plus.
 
1) nobody fights with their arms outstretched like a starfish so cut any reach advantage in half. 3" is more like 1.5" in reality
2) Even though Kevin has longer arms if he's throwing a head strike he has to reach up while DRod can reach straight across

Point 2 is valid, but it doesn't change the concept of "reach advantage". Rodriguez has a height advantage, Lee had a reach advantage. You can say these cancel each other out if you like, but stop factoring height into the reach advantage.
Point 1 is completely arbitrary and incorrect. Exactly where do you come up with this "cut reach advantage in half" science? It is true that the reach advantage cannot be 100% utilized by anyone because people do not fight with their torso completely sideways to their opponent, but again why are you trying to argue against Lee having a reach advantage using other metrics? Either his arms/torso were longer (reach advantage) or they werent.

TLDR: Stop using other methods to argue against whether he had a reach advantage, and instead try to argue whether the reach advantage was relevant in their fight. If you wanna argue whether he had one at all, better bring out the tape measure.
 
Point 2 is valid, but it doesn't change the concept of "reach advantage". Rodriguez has a height advantage, Lee had a reach advantage. You can say these cancel each other out if you like, but stop factoring height into the reach advantage.
Point 1 is completely arbitrary and incorrect. Exactly where do you come up with this "cut reach advantage in half" science? It is true that the reach advantage cannot be 100% utilized by anyone because people do not fight with their torso completely sideways to their opponent, but again why are you trying to argue against Lee having a reach advantage using other metrics? Either his arms/torso were longer (reach advantage) or they werent.

TLDR: Stop using other methods to argue against whether he had a reach advantage, and instead try to argue whether the reach advantage was relevant in their fight. If you wanna argue whether he had one at all, better bring out the tape measure.
The point of a reach advantage is to be in boxing range of your opponent when they're not in boxing range of you.

If you have a 3" reach advantage your effective boxing range is probably going to be about 1.5" inches longer than your opponent at most, because you're only punching them with one arm at a time but reach measures wingspan, i.e., both your arms and torso.

The actual effective boxing range might vary somewhat if one guy has long arms and a narrow torso and the other guy has a wide torso and stubby arms.

Of course long arms might be an advantage or disadvantage in other ways (besides reach) when it comes to generating force on strikes or leverage in a grappling exchange.
 
The point of a reach advantage is to be in boxing range of your opponent when they're not in boxing range of you.

If you have a 3" reach advantage your effective boxing range is probably going to be about 1.5" inches longer than your opponent at most, because you're only punching them with one arm at a time but reach measures wingspan, i.e., both your arms and torso.

The actual effective boxing range might vary somewhat if one guy has long arms and a narrow torso and the other guy has a wide torso and stubby arms.

Of course long arms might be an advantage or disadvantage in other ways (besides reach) when it comes to generating force on strikes or leverage in a grappling exchange.

yeah reach isnt always that much of an advantage or a factor in the fights. understanding distance and timing and counter punching, movement, etc is much more important than reach anyways. Derron Win beat a 6 ft tall fighter recently.

I still think Lee just is a good fighter, not great even though he showed a lot of potential.

Lee was in the UFC for almost 8 years and just never could make it happen. still had a nice career
 
The point of a reach advantage is to be in boxing range of your opponent when they're not in boxing range of you.

If you have a 3" reach advantage your effective boxing range is probably going to be about 1.5" inches longer than your opponent at most, because you're only punching them with one arm at a time but reach measures wingspan, i.e., both your arms and torso.

The actual effective boxing range might vary somewhat if one guy has long arms and a narrow torso and the other guy has a wide torso and stubby arms.

Of course long arms might be an advantage or disadvantage in other ways (besides reach) when it comes to generating force on strikes or leverage in a grappling exchange.

It's not that you are wrong it's just that you are trying to redefine the term reach advantage from what has been established for decades. You're better off discussing these other factors without trying to redefine a term
 
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