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Today :[JMMA Scene]
'Where´s Dat Suplex, Monster?'...
> Myth: The SAKU vs Randleman fight was a work.
Note: this thread can be seen as an extension of these ones:
Basically closin´here the trilogy related to SAKU´s [most] 'controversial' fights.
Was @ PRIDE Final Conflict 2003 [November 9, 2003].
Like in all these Decons., this is all about Skill Set Evolution...
Reminder:
If you really wanna assess these fights, you have to know about:
> The context
> The fighters´skill set
> The fighters´s evolution.
General Context 1:
Monster was part of the Hammer Team, and very close to...Coleman...
General Context 2:
Like Coleman after the Takada fight, Monster got a spot in the PRIDE 2004 Heavyweight GP, jus´ after this fight.
1/ CONTEXT OF THE FIGHT:
SAKU G. was havin´a rough year in 2003, losin´again to Wand & underestimatin´ Elvis.
On the other side, Monster was comin´off a brutal loss against Rampage some 8 months b4.
More important: he was recoverin´from a serious car accident, where he almost lost his head and ended with some 180 stitches.
Pre-fight Context: during the pre-fight interview, Monster talked about his gameplan with Bas:
> Stand on his feet.
> Take him down.
> Pound him out.
He even said that he had been workin´on submissions (this could already be acknowledged the year b4 against Yamamoto...see his keylock attempt)
He also made it a point to say that he was then really more focussed, and that people would no longer see that 'crazy' guy they used to know.
Side note: the Rampage vs SAKU fight was 2 years b4 this one, a fight where Rampage might have burnt himself out usin´ 'flashy' moves...
2/ TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT OF THE FIGHT:
There´s essentially one [potentially spectacular] technical sequence that made this fight 'suspicious' to some fans: Monster briefly got SAKU´s back on the feet, and somehow didnt suplex him, like he did later against Fedor (SAKU bein´obviously undersized).
But let´s add one more technical sequence that could have made this fight potentially suspicious:
Monster algo got the front headlock and didnt rain down the knees as he promised b4 the fight.
Indeed, on paper, Monster was quite a bad match-up for SAKU, perhaps the worst since the rule change that occured @ Pride 13 [knee-to-a-downed-opponent rule]: high level wrasslin´ (one of the greatest TD artists ever, for sure) & his athletism on the ground, coupled with some underrated striking [deadly knees on the ground, and powerful/explosive punches on the feet].
That was potentially the worst match-up ever offered to SAKU (Fedor included).
Essentially:
Round 1:
Monster got :
> a front head lock during 15 sec. [@ 1mn20]
> SAKU`s back on the feet during 50 sec. [@ 2mn48]
Note: you can hear Coleman shoutin´ "Slam him!", but no suplex.
Then you can hear him shoutin´"Get Busy! More! More!", b4 the Ref. interfered.
[See the Gifs in the 2nd post of this Thread]
Round 3:
Monster got SAKU`s back on the feet during 17 sec. [@ 0mn46 sec.].
And he actuallyt did... slam him twice (not really powerful slams, tbh).
Overall, Monster did a decent job of not givin´too many openings to SAKU during the 1st & 2nd Rd, defendin´ or avoidin´ several [potential] submission attempts [kimura/triangle/kneebar].
He obviously did a mistake in the final sequence, but was a realistic one when you consider his [progressive] skill set at that point & the level of SAKU´s grappling...
Note 1: Monster could have 'sold' a dive by submission much earlier in the fight, especially durin´ SAKU´s triangle attempt.
Note 2: Monster was patient enough durin´ the fight, and did stick to his gameplan [outstrike SAKU on the feet, avoid the ground], deliberately avoidin´ the clinch that could have helped sellin´ a transition to the ground.
[See the Gifs in the 2nd post of this Thread]
Overall, Monster´s 'inactivity' looked suspicious, accordin´to some fans...
How to explain it then?
3/ MONSTER´s PROBLEMATIC SKILL SET:
It´s important to understand somethin´essential related to Monster´s skill set:
his GNP posture was problematic, especially against much taller dudes (see fights like the one vs Barreto,for instance...).
He would stay much 2 low in the guard, head basically on his opponent´s belly, and would eat some unnecessary elbows or punches from there, without even reactin´sometimes.....(consequently, his punches would come from 2 far away too...)
Then, because of his suspect cardio, he would more often than not, stay quite inactive in the guard, leadin´ to stand-ups, where he would have to spend more energy to get the TD...
This could realistically have cost him the UFC belt against Bas (not a robbery, but a tricky fight to score considerin´the UFC Scoring System).
But he did evolve, and by the end of his career, he was no longer that inactive in the guard [see the Fatih Kocamis fight, for instance].
Like in the SAKU vs Vitor Gracie case, it´s kindah tricky to assess this 'state of mind', since Monster was arguably not one-dimensional.
Using the fight IQ narrative would be rather 'cliché', and a pretty lazy assessment tbh...
My understanding is that Monster, like some other ATGs (SAKU was a weirdo too), was deep inside someone who enjoyed certain technical sequences during the fight, and he would live [and fight] for these moments.
There´s no denyin´ that he could take any opponent down at any moment of the fight. And he knew it.
That´s why sometimes it was kindah strange to see him waitin´so long to shoot after the Ref´s stand-up call... (You could feel he was not really gassed...as he would throw some decent combo)
Then, after he trained with Emanuel Steward, he started to fall in love with his boxing, and you could feel he was enjoyin´stayin´on the feet then...
But it´s hard to understand some puzzlin´ technical sequences in certain fights if you´ve not assessed this skill set evolution, indeed...
People who were expectin´him to use certain techniques during the SAKU fight, have to understand that it was Monster´s way: as he used to say, 'Monsters Don't Think, They Just Act'...
He would see himself as a 'chameleon', willin´ to fight differently on any given night, ie not accordin´to the necessity of the moment...
He would have some 'blackouts' during fights, would choose to not use a certain [obvious] technique or opt for a [dubious] move...
CASE STUDY 1: Against Kenichi Yamamoto @ Pride 23, the year b4 the SAKU fight:
Like SAKU, Yamamoto was clearly undersized.
You cant even build a narrative sayin´that it was a carry job since Kenichi was mauled in this fight, not even remotely competitive...
Thus, Monster got on the ground:
1st Round:
> Front head lock
[0mn24>0mn30] = 1 knee
> North-South position
[0mn30>0mn37 + 2mn30>3mn18] = 0 knee
> Side Control
[0mn50 >2mn28 + 3mn19>4mn54 + 6mn20>9mn30] = 2 knees
2nd Round:
> Side Control
[13mn10>16mn30 + 17mn24>17mn35] = 1 knee
> North-South position
[16mn30>16mn57] = 0 knee
> Front Head Lock
[16mn58>17mn23] = 0 knee
3rd Round:
> Side Control
[20mn00> 20mn16 +20mn30>20mn43] = 1 knee
> North-South position
[20mn17>20mn28] = 0 knee
[20mn45>21mn] = several knees, got the finish.
You can literally hear Coleman screamin´ "Knees!!" several time during the fight [@3mn / @ 15mn55].
Even Bas & Quadros dont understand it.
[See the Gifs in the 3rd & 4th post of this Thread]
CASE STUDY 2: Against Ninja Rua @ Pride 24 [December 23, 2002]:
He got Ninja´s back, didnt attempt any suplex, and even lost the dominant position...
CASE STUDY 3: Against Ebenezer Braga @ Universal Vale Tudo Fighting 6 [March 3, 1997]:
Monster would work hard for the TD, but watch how (after Coleman 'helped' him to prevent the rope escape) he would jeopardize his dominant position by decidin´to punch with the right hand...towards the ropes again...
Note: in the Vale Tudo Fight Configuration, the infamous rope escape traditionally led to a restart...on the feet.
CASE STUDY 4: Against Mário Sucata @ Universal Vale Tudo Fighting 6 [March 3, 1997]:
Like against SAKU, he got the front head lock (and side control) [@ 7mn40] during 1 mn & threw only 2 knees, then again during 37 sec. [@ 10mn45] & threw 2 knees.
CONCLUSION:
You cant assess this fight without acknowledgin´ the evolution of Monster´s skill set & his 'psyche' inside the ring.
Today :[JMMA Scene]
'Where´s Dat Suplex, Monster?'...
> Myth: The SAKU vs Randleman fight was a work.
Note: this thread can be seen as an extension of these ones:
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-coleman-went-full-roid-rage-in-brazil-17.3874387/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-sakakibara-asked-chuteboxe-to-kill-saku-38.3955161/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-coleman-went-full-roid-rage-in-brazil-17.3874387/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/the-day-sakakibara-asked-chuteboxe-to-kill-saku-38.3955161/
Basically closin´here the trilogy related to SAKU´s [most] 'controversial' fights.
Was @ PRIDE Final Conflict 2003 [November 9, 2003].
Like in all these Decons., this is all about Skill Set Evolution...
Reminder:
If you really wanna assess these fights, you have to know about:
> The context
> The fighters´skill set
> The fighters´s evolution.
General Context 1:
Monster was part of the Hammer Team, and very close to...Coleman...
General Context 2:
Like Coleman after the Takada fight, Monster got a spot in the PRIDE 2004 Heavyweight GP, jus´ after this fight.
1/ CONTEXT OF THE FIGHT:
SAKU G. was havin´a rough year in 2003, losin´again to Wand & underestimatin´ Elvis.
On the other side, Monster was comin´off a brutal loss against Rampage some 8 months b4.
More important: he was recoverin´from a serious car accident, where he almost lost his head and ended with some 180 stitches.
Pre-fight Context: during the pre-fight interview, Monster talked about his gameplan with Bas:
> Stand on his feet.
> Take him down.
> Pound him out.
He even said that he had been workin´on submissions (this could already be acknowledged the year b4 against Yamamoto...see his keylock attempt)
He also made it a point to say that he was then really more focussed, and that people would no longer see that 'crazy' guy they used to know.
Side note: the Rampage vs SAKU fight was 2 years b4 this one, a fight where Rampage might have burnt himself out usin´ 'flashy' moves...
2/ TECHNICAL ASSESSMENT OF THE FIGHT:
There´s essentially one [potentially spectacular] technical sequence that made this fight 'suspicious' to some fans: Monster briefly got SAKU´s back on the feet, and somehow didnt suplex him, like he did later against Fedor (SAKU bein´obviously undersized).
But let´s add one more technical sequence that could have made this fight potentially suspicious:
Monster algo got the front headlock and didnt rain down the knees as he promised b4 the fight.
Indeed, on paper, Monster was quite a bad match-up for SAKU, perhaps the worst since the rule change that occured @ Pride 13 [knee-to-a-downed-opponent rule]: high level wrasslin´ (one of the greatest TD artists ever, for sure) & his athletism on the ground, coupled with some underrated striking [deadly knees on the ground, and powerful/explosive punches on the feet].
That was potentially the worst match-up ever offered to SAKU (Fedor included).
Q: The new rules permit you to sprawl to avoid the tackle and then put the knee in. This is advantageous for you isn't it?
Dan: I think the new rules are advantageous for us wrestlers. Sprawling is our specialty. From this position, landing knees is easy. So I used them. Coleman too, and got a KO [over Alan Goes]. Silva too. When I heard about the rule change, I was very much surprised.
Q: Surprised?
Dan: Before the Sakuraba vs. Silva fight, I never thought the rules would be changed like this. Because the change provided a clear advantage to Silva. Well, since the rules are changed, we will fight according to them.
Dan: I think the new rules are advantageous for us wrestlers. Sprawling is our specialty. From this position, landing knees is easy. So I used them. Coleman too, and got a KO [over Alan Goes]. Silva too. When I heard about the rule change, I was very much surprised.
Q: Surprised?
Dan: Before the Sakuraba vs. Silva fight, I never thought the rules would be changed like this. Because the change provided a clear advantage to Silva. Well, since the rules are changed, we will fight according to them.
Essentially:
Round 1:
Monster got :
> a front head lock during 15 sec. [@ 1mn20]
> SAKU`s back on the feet during 50 sec. [@ 2mn48]
Note: you can hear Coleman shoutin´ "Slam him!", but no suplex.
Then you can hear him shoutin´"Get Busy! More! More!", b4 the Ref. interfered.
[See the Gifs in the 2nd post of this Thread]
Round 3:
Monster got SAKU`s back on the feet during 17 sec. [@ 0mn46 sec.].
And he actuallyt did... slam him twice (not really powerful slams, tbh).
Overall, Monster did a decent job of not givin´too many openings to SAKU during the 1st & 2nd Rd, defendin´ or avoidin´ several [potential] submission attempts [kimura/triangle/kneebar].
He obviously did a mistake in the final sequence, but was a realistic one when you consider his [progressive] skill set at that point & the level of SAKU´s grappling...
Note 1: Monster could have 'sold' a dive by submission much earlier in the fight, especially durin´ SAKU´s triangle attempt.
Note 2: Monster was patient enough durin´ the fight, and did stick to his gameplan [outstrike SAKU on the feet, avoid the ground], deliberately avoidin´ the clinch that could have helped sellin´ a transition to the ground.
[See the Gifs in the 2nd post of this Thread]
Overall, Monster´s 'inactivity' looked suspicious, accordin´to some fans...
How to explain it then?
3/ MONSTER´s PROBLEMATIC SKILL SET:
It´s important to understand somethin´essential related to Monster´s skill set:
his GNP posture was problematic, especially against much taller dudes (see fights like the one vs Barreto,for instance...).
He would stay much 2 low in the guard, head basically on his opponent´s belly, and would eat some unnecessary elbows or punches from there, without even reactin´sometimes.....(consequently, his punches would come from 2 far away too...)
Then, because of his suspect cardio, he would more often than not, stay quite inactive in the guard, leadin´ to stand-ups, where he would have to spend more energy to get the TD...
This could realistically have cost him the UFC belt against Bas (not a robbery, but a tricky fight to score considerin´the UFC Scoring System).
But he did evolve, and by the end of his career, he was no longer that inactive in the guard [see the Fatih Kocamis fight, for instance].
Like in the SAKU vs Vitor Gracie case, it´s kindah tricky to assess this 'state of mind', since Monster was arguably not one-dimensional.
Using the fight IQ narrative would be rather 'cliché', and a pretty lazy assessment tbh...
My understanding is that Monster, like some other ATGs (SAKU was a weirdo too), was deep inside someone who enjoyed certain technical sequences during the fight, and he would live [and fight] for these moments.
There´s no denyin´ that he could take any opponent down at any moment of the fight. And he knew it.
That´s why sometimes it was kindah strange to see him waitin´so long to shoot after the Ref´s stand-up call... (You could feel he was not really gassed...as he would throw some decent combo)
Then, after he trained with Emanuel Steward, he started to fall in love with his boxing, and you could feel he was enjoyin´stayin´on the feet then...
But it´s hard to understand some puzzlin´ technical sequences in certain fights if you´ve not assessed this skill set evolution, indeed...
People who were expectin´him to use certain techniques during the SAKU fight, have to understand that it was Monster´s way: as he used to say, 'Monsters Don't Think, They Just Act'...
He would see himself as a 'chameleon', willin´ to fight differently on any given night, ie not accordin´to the necessity of the moment...
He would have some 'blackouts' during fights, would choose to not use a certain [obvious] technique or opt for a [dubious] move...
CASE STUDY 1: Against Kenichi Yamamoto @ Pride 23, the year b4 the SAKU fight:
Like SAKU, Yamamoto was clearly undersized.
You cant even build a narrative sayin´that it was a carry job since Kenichi was mauled in this fight, not even remotely competitive...
Thus, Monster got on the ground:
1st Round:
> Front head lock
[0mn24>0mn30] = 1 knee
> North-South position
[0mn30>0mn37 + 2mn30>3mn18] = 0 knee
> Side Control
[0mn50 >2mn28 + 3mn19>4mn54 + 6mn20>9mn30] = 2 knees
2nd Round:
> Side Control
[13mn10>16mn30 + 17mn24>17mn35] = 1 knee
> North-South position
[16mn30>16mn57] = 0 knee
> Front Head Lock
[16mn58>17mn23] = 0 knee
3rd Round:
> Side Control
[20mn00> 20mn16 +20mn30>20mn43] = 1 knee
> North-South position
[20mn17>20mn28] = 0 knee
[20mn45>21mn] = several knees, got the finish.
You can literally hear Coleman screamin´ "Knees!!" several time during the fight [@3mn / @ 15mn55].
Even Bas & Quadros dont understand it.
[See the Gifs in the 3rd & 4th post of this Thread]
CASE STUDY 2: Against Ninja Rua @ Pride 24 [December 23, 2002]:
He got Ninja´s back, didnt attempt any suplex, and even lost the dominant position...
@ 11mn37:
CASE STUDY 3: Against Ebenezer Braga @ Universal Vale Tudo Fighting 6 [March 3, 1997]:
Monster would work hard for the TD, but watch how (after Coleman 'helped' him to prevent the rope escape) he would jeopardize his dominant position by decidin´to punch with the right hand...towards the ropes again...
Note: in the Vale Tudo Fight Configuration, the infamous rope escape traditionally led to a restart...on the feet.
@ 9mn45:
CASE STUDY 4: Against Mário Sucata @ Universal Vale Tudo Fighting 6 [March 3, 1997]:
Like against SAKU, he got the front head lock (and side control) [@ 7mn40] during 1 mn & threw only 2 knees, then again during 37 sec. [@ 10mn45] & threw 2 knees.
CONCLUSION:
You cant assess this fight without acknowledgin´ the evolution of Monster´s skill set & his 'psyche' inside the ring.
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-24-carlson´s-silence.3879035/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-13-khabib´s-eastern-european-career.3830345/#post-144836697
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-14-mousasi-flukes.3836617/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-1-2.3844333/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-2-2.3844507/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-16-siamese-brothers-the-2-hw-goats.3851935/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-23-cross-training-in-mma´s-dark-ages.3874607/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-groovy-paradox.3893619/page-3#post-148236621
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-28-deaf-ears.3907767/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-penn-the-frontrunner.3925599/#post-149993595
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-30-mma´s-buster-douglas.3935185/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-fights-start-from-standing-position.3808087/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-5-the-true-evolution-of-mma.3807975/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...tion-of-submission-defence-grappling.3803333/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-3-the-evolution-of-werdum´s-striking.3831261/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-2-hunto´s-atomicbutt-drop.3735841/
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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...hs-part-8-mma-cans-the-unsung-heroes.3822123/
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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-11-fighters´evolution.3827221/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...t-mma-evolution-the-lhw-golden-era-s.3828473/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-17-askren´s-undefeated-record.3855315/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-18-the-genesis-of-ufc-1´s-roster.3855847/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-evolution-the-mw-transitional-era-s.3858851/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-20-judges-mma-ideology.3862173/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-21-the-disorganized-ww-div.3873877/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...part-22-the-avenged-losses-narrative.3874257/
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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-part-9-bjj-during-the-vale-tudo-era.3826197/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-13-khabib´s-eastern-european-career.3830345/#post-144836697
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-14-mousasi-flukes.3836617/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-1-2.3844333/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-the-anatomy-of-a-fighter-khabib-2-2.3844507/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...t-16-siamese-brothers-the-2-hw-goats.3851935/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-25-the-wild-wild-east.3886295/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-23-cross-training-in-mma´s-dark-ages.3874607/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-groovy-paradox.3893619/page-3#post-148236621
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...de-ow-gp-mezger-those-infamous-6-lbs.3899881/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-28-deaf-ears.3907767/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/...-penn-the-frontrunner.3925599/#post-149993595
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-30-mma´s-buster-douglas.3935185/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...-fights-start-from-standing-position.3808087/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-5-the-true-evolution-of-mma.3807975/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...tion-of-submission-defence-grappling.3803333/
https://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-3-the-evolution-of-werdum´s-striking.3831261/
http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-2-hunto´s-atomicbutt-drop.3735841/
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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-10-b4-after-usada.3826221/
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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/d...t-mma-evolution-the-lhw-golden-era-s.3828473/
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http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/deconstructing-mma-myths-part-20-judges-mma-ideology.3862173/
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