Cross facing in bjj?

[Andrewwawa]

Ive never seen a pure practitioner use it as takedown defense and as a novice, it works really well for me to take peoples backs after switching to a front headlock.

Is there something inconvenient about the cross face in jiu jitsu that stops people from using it to stop takedowns and get the back?

 

[drmckool]

Ive never seen a pure practitioner use it as takedown defense and as a novice, it works really well for me to take peoples backs after switching to a front headlock.

Is there something inconvenient about the cross face in jiu jitsu that stops people from using it to stop takedowns and get the back?

I could be wrong (I am a whitebelt), but I believe that's because it's a neck crank and -- if i am correct -- neck cranks are frowned upon by the ibjjf.

 

[Allan san]

i use the crossface as my top single-leg defense. some people may just not like it

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

I could be wrong (I am a whitebelt), but I believe that's because it's a neck crank and -- if i am correct -- neck cranks are frowned upon by the ibjjf.

Nope.

I see it used all the time.

 

[Uchi Mata]

I cross face the hell out of guys. The better you get, the firmer/meaner you have to be to get guys to settle down. When a BB cross faces you, he puts your back on the mat.

 

[Philosophy]

Which is why, in my Muay Thai class, I stick that first kick hard on the block and I never have that problem.

The foolish nubs in my BJJ class can get stupid. I have straight out refused to practice armbar escapes with a few fools who I am sure would crank on it if they got the chance.

Edit: Cross face is my go to move to stop the takedown. Love it.

 

[Winnie The Foo]

I came from a school where neck cranks were commonly used as well as cross facing. At my new gym there seems to be a certain stigma about neck cranks so I stopped doing those...but still use cross facing to stop TD's and take people's back.

 

[drmckool]

Nope.

I see it used all the time.

I stand corrected.

 

[yovan]

I could be wrong, but isn't there a distinct difference in what wrestlers consider cross-facing and what BJJ guys consider cross-facing?

 

[pheonix5]

Up until BJJ,I always thought the crossface was the the forearm across the chin to get the guys head turned,but then I learned that the forearm under the head with the shoulder driving into the chin to turn the head from side control was a crossface.Uncomfortable too.Then there's the crossface neck crank I learned from catch wrestling,very nasty and dangerous.

 

[Saenchai]

I cross face my opponents so much, they end up having mouth cuts.

 

[Cachimbo]

Use it and get it used on me so much I don't even think of it as a technique anymore. It's a reflex like shrimping

 

[Loop Chokes]

Its really effective, I use it all the time defend the takedown. Not sure why it isn't used more..

 

[ABC]

I good cross face actually goes accross the cheek bones. Except for the eyes, the area around the cheek bones has the highest concentration of nerves. Thats why the cross face is so effective.

 

[barnowl]

Stupid question here, what kind of cross face are we talking about? I am hearing of at least 2 things I have never associate with a cross face: takedown defense and neck cranks.

 

[Loop Chokes]

The one that I was refering to is sort of like in 2:00 of this video


I do it without grabbing the ankle, but turning the face away like that really helps stop most take downs IMO

 

[Andrewwawa]

thanks a lot guys, now i dont feel so lonely lol

I good cross face actually goes accross the cheek bones. Except for the eyes, the area around the cheek bones has the highest concentration of nerves. Thats why the cross face is so effective.

This is how I do mines as well

Stupid question here, what kind of cross face are we talking about? I am hearing of at least 2 things I have never associate with a cross face: takedown defense and neck cranks.

someone shoots on you, you sprawl out and throw your forearm into their face and push on it. I guess its considering a neck crank because ideally you want their head to get turned the other way, so they lose all drive and youre able to neutralize the takedown, pancake them and put them on their back (ideal for wrestling), or take their back

 

[Andrewwawa]

The one that I was refering to is sort of like in 2:00 of this video


I do it without grabbing the ankle, but turning the face away like that really helps stop most take downs IMO

Me too. Grabbing the ankle has always been really effective when wrestling for me, to keep myself at angle so they dont get enough drive on their shot.

I stopped doing it for jiu jitsu but may start again

 

[SuperSuperRambo]

I could be wrong, but isn't there a distinct difference in what wrestlers consider cross-facing and what BJJ guys consider cross-facing?

BJJ practitioners use the term "cross-face" to include a wider range of techniques, including what wrestlers call a cross-face. So in BJJ, it's a broader term, while in wrestling it refers to something more specific. For example in BJJ, I've heard shoulder pressure from side control referred to as a cross-face.

 

[Loop Chokes]

When I hear cross face when people are standing I think of the defence, when its on the ground I think of the shoulder pressure used to turn their face away from Top Half Guard/Side Control.
Yeah I think the ankle grab works really well and I should do it more. Is there any reason not to do it?