Creatine relieves joint pain????

Stryker1992

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So...i have major joint pain issues due to osteoarthritis and have been searching high and low for relief and not to have to terminate MMA training. A journal article I found suggests that creatine may reduce joint pain......

Weird....


So what other alternatives are there to reduce the likelihood of developing arthritis and limiting the severity of the condition if you already have it?

According to a new study published last week online ahead of print in the Medicine & Science in Sports and Exercise (MSEE), lower limb resistance training combined with creatine supplementation may offer a compelling choice. [2]

To begin, many previous studies have demonstrated that a regular program of lower limb resistance training (weight lifting) strengthens the muscles of the leg, increases lean body mass, and reduces knee pain. You see, when we become less physically active, our muscles weaken and we end up placing more of the stress of movement on our joints. Further, the longer we are inactive but still consume the same volume of food, we tend to gain weight. Excess body weight combined with weakened muscles heightens the amount of stress we place on our joints when moving around. So improving muscle strength and shedding excess body weight are two powerful ways you can reduce your risk of developing arthritis (and reducing the pain associated with the condition). In fact, a 2010 report from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention indicated that losing as little as 11 pounds of body fat reduces the risk of developing osteoarthritis in women by 50%! [3]

Creatine, a natural amino acid found primarily in the meat we consume, has been shown in past studies to assist healthy older adults improve their ability to engage in greater physical activity by enhancing muscle strength and power. According to the MSEE study authors, creatine helps provide rapid energy to muscles during physical activity, which in turn, improves muscle strength and function.

In the MSEE study, 24 women (average age of 57) were enrolled and divided into two groups. Twelve of the women participated in the lower limb resistance training program and received daily doses of a powdered creatine supplement. The other 12 women participated in the same resistance training program but received a daily placebo powder (dextrose) over the course of the study.

All the women received 12 weeks of supervised resistance training. Exercise sessions were held three times weekly and involve three specific lower limb weight lifting exercises (leg press, leg extension, half-squats). The study subjects were required to perform four sets of 8-12 repetitions of each exercise (there was a one week buildup period at the outset of the study where subjects performed two sets of 15-20 repetitions of each exercise at a lower resistance level). Over the course of the study, the weight resistance for each participant was increased once they achieved 12 repetitions on a given exercise.

The creatine group received 20 grams of creatine monohydrate powder for the first seven days of the study divided into four equal doses of 5 grams (taken at breakfast, lunch, dinner and 10 p.m.). Thereafter, they received 5 grams per day (at lunch) for the duration of the study. The placebo group received the same volume of dextrose powder and the same usage instructions. Both groups were instructed to mix the powder with their juice of choice.

At the outset of the research program, the study team evaluated both groups
 
Interesting. While many of the measurements are subjective (how much less stiff were people, etc) this still looks like some good infos.

Thank you for contributing.
 
I've heard a little of that before. Strykker, have you tried the Osteo-Bi Flex supplement?
A decent amount of people claim relief from joint plain with the combination of MSM/Glucosamine Chrondroitin and the herb boswellia serrata. You can buy knock-off brands (Meijers,CVS,Walgreens) for cheaper with the same ingredients
 
Interesting. While many of the measurements are subjective (how much less stiff were people, etc) this still looks like some good infos.

Thank you for contributing.

Well, the measuring criterion for success in this study (signs/symptoms) are always going to be subjective data
 
When you take Creatine, you have to drink massive amount of water otherwise it can mess up your body.
 
Joint pain?

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Thanks for reporting this.

Here is the abstract:

Beneficial effect of creatine supplementation in knee osteoarthritis.

Abstract
INTRODUCTION:
The aim of this study was to investigate the efficacy of creatine (CR) supplementation combined with strengthening exercises in knee osteoarthritis (OA).
METHODS:
A randomized, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial was performed. Postmenopausal women with knee OA were allocated to receive either CR (20 g
 
Interesting. While many of the measurements are subjective (how much less stiff were people, etc) this still looks like some good infos.

Thank you for contributing.

No, I agree. Measuring range of motion may have made it more objective. They can use pain scales that are supposed considered at face validity to be effective.

I had always been told that creatine increases joint pain....gym wise-tale I guess....
 
I've heard a little of that before. Strykker, have you tried the Osteo-Bi Flex supplement?
A decent amount of people claim relief from joint plain with the combination of MSM/Glucosamine Chrondroitin and the herb boswellia serrata. You can buy knock-off brands (Meijers,CVS,Walgreens) for cheaper with the same ingredients

Hey bro...I have and it is expensive as hell and to me I did not get any benefit from it. I read up on it and had high hopes. I just ordered krill oil and I am looking into cissus.......
 
This goes against my personal experience. I have ankylosing spondilitis, and whenever I get past the 8 week mark on creatine, I start getting crazy sprains all over my body that don't recede until the creatine is out of my system. I'm probably an odd case due to my condition, though. Nobody else I know has ever complained about it.
 
This goes against my personal experience. I have ankylosing spondilitis, and whenever I get past the 8 week mark on creatine, I start getting crazy sprains all over my body that don't recede until the creatine is out of my system. I'm probably an odd case due to my condition, though. Nobody else I know has ever complained about it.

you have AS? are you able to train? do you have degenerative disc disease as well? do you have a positive HLA-B27?
 
you have AS? are you able to train? do you have degenerative disc disease as well? do you have a positive HLA-B27?

Yes, I am able to train. I do not have DDD, nor am I HLA-B27 positive (strange, right?)

I take it you're an AS sufferer as well?
 
Yes, I am able to train. I do not have DDD, nor am I HLA-B27 positive (strange, right?)

I take it you're an AS sufferer as well?

no I am just a mess with which physicians don't understand ... :/

I saw a rheumatologist to rule out AS although I have heard you can still get diagnosed with AS even without a positive HLA-B27.

I have crazy degeneration in my c-spine, have 2 fusions (congenital at C2-3, anterior cervical discectomy w/ fusion at C5-6), suffering from a bad herniated disc at C6-7 and have what my physical therapist's exact words "a horrendous amount of osteophytes" (bone spurs) in my c-spine for someone my age (25). I also have constant left sacroiliac joint pain ... that started years before I've been having these c-spine issues... and I have read that patients with AS almost always present with SI pain first.

I am confused then, can you tell me what was the securing factor(s) for getting a diagnosis of AS for you? Are you on pain meds, or are you not in pain? PM if you want plz

edit: training is not even a glimpse in my eye anymore .. I had to withdraw from nursing school because I can't lift repeatedly at all anymore :(
 
no I am just a mess with which physicians don't understand ... :/

I saw a rheumatologist to rule out AS although I have heard you can still get diagnosed with AS even without a positive HLA-B27.

I have crazy degeneration in my c-spine, have 2 fusions (congenital at C2-3, anterior cervical discectomy w/ fusion at C5-6), suffering from a bad herniated disc at C6-7 and have what my physical therapist's exact words "a horrendous amount of osteophytes" (bone spurs) in my c-spine for someone my age (25). I also have constant left sacroiliac joint pain ... that started years before I've been having these c-spine issues... and I have read that patients with AS almost always present with SI pain first.

I am confused then, can you tell me what was the securing factor(s) for getting a diagnosis of AS for you? Are you on pain meds, or are you not in pain? PM if you want plz

edit: training is not even a glimpse in my eye anymore .. I had to withdraw from nursing school because I can't lift repeatedly at all anymore :(

I feel for you, my friend. My spine is in the beginning stages of fusion according to my rheumy, but I have never been diagnosed with any sort of disc disease. However, it is EXTREMELY common in AS patients.

I'm on indomethacin for treatment. It sucks, but it takes the edge off quite well.

My symptoms are essentially: extreme chronic hip inflammation, uveitis, prostatitis (the worst by far), eczema, and tinnitus (most likely due to NSAIDs, but who knows?). I used to have lower back and knee pain before I began squatting and deadlifting. My shoulders used to suck before overhead pressing entered my life.

As for my diagnosis, it took FIVE YEARS for a little white film(or something similar) to appear in my SI joints. All it took was a simple x-ray. It did not exist when I was 17, but exists now at age 22. It can take up to 11 years for the markers to show up. My friend, you sound like a classic AS sufferer to me. I am fortunate enough to be receiving treatment at one of the best hospitals in the world (Brigham and Women's). I HIGHLY recommend their rheumatology center.

How are your CRP and ESR? Mine are both extremely low.

EDIT: If your rheumatologist ruled out AS solely based on the presence of HLA-B27 then he should not be practicing medicine. Also, my SI joint pain did appear first. I wish you the best of luck, and please feel free to PM me if you want recommendations, or just moral support. The hardest part is figuring out what's wrong. Once that uncertainty is lifted, you will feel much better. I promise.
 
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I feel for you, my friend. My spine is in the beginning stages of fusion according to my rheumy, but I have never been diagnosed with any sort of disc disease. However, it is EXTREMELY common in AS patients.

I'm on indomethacin for treatment. It sucks, but it takes the edge off quite well.

My symptoms are essentially: extreme chronic hip inflammation, uveitis, prostatitis (the worst by far), eczema, and tinnitus (most likely due to NSAIDs, but who knows?). I used to have lower back and knee pain before I began squatting and deadlifting. My shoulders used to suck before overhead pressing entered my life.

As for my diagnosis, it took FIVE YEARS for a little white film(or something similar) to appear in my SI joints. All it took was a simple x-ray. It did not exist when I was 17, but exists now at age 22. It can take up to 11 years for the markers to show up. My friend, you sound like a classic AS sufferer to me. I am fortunate enough to be receiving treatment at one of the best hospitals in the world (Brigham and Women's). I HIGHLY recommend their rheumatology center.

How are your CRP and ESR? Mine are both extremely low.

EDIT: If your rheumatologist ruled out AS solely based on the presence of HLA-B27 then he should not be practicing medicine. Also, my SI joint pain did appear first. I wish you the best of luck, and please feel free to PM me if you want recommendations, or just moral support. The hardest part is figuring out what's wrong. Once that uncertainty is lifted, you will feel much better. I promise.

I am sorry to hear about this guys...I have osteoarthritis but have chronic joint pain in many parts of my body. I thought I had lyme disease, RA, or some other issue. So far the tests say no but Idk. I am feeling that within the next ear or so I will have to terminate training.
 
I feel for you, my friend. My spine is in the beginning stages of fusion according to my rheumy, but I have never been diagnosed with any sort of disc disease. However, it is EXTREMELY common in AS patients.

I'm on indomethacin for treatment. It sucks, but it takes the edge off quite well.

My symptoms are essentially: extreme chronic hip inflammation, uveitis, prostatitis (the worst by far), eczema, and tinnitus (most likely due to NSAIDs, but who knows?). I used to have lower back and knee pain before I began squatting and deadlifting. My shoulders used to suck before overhead pressing entered my life.

As for my diagnosis, it took FIVE YEARS for a little white film(or something similar) to appear in my SI joints. All it took was a simple x-ray. It did not exist when I was 17, but exists now at age 22. It can take up to 11 years for the markers to show up. My friend, you sound like a classic AS sufferer to me. I am fortunate enough to be receiving treatment at one of the best hospitals in the world (Brigham and Women's). I HIGHLY recommend their rheumatology center.

How are your CRP and ESR? Mine are both extremely low.

EDIT: If your rheumatologist ruled out AS solely based on the presence of HLA-B27 then he should not be practicing medicine. Also, my SI joint pain did appear first. I wish you the best of luck, and please feel free to PM me if you want recommendations, or just moral support. The hardest part is figuring out what's wrong. Once that uncertainty is lifted, you will feel much better. I promise.

Hey thanks for the support man. Yeah oddly my CRP and ESR are never out of range either .. That's great you're still able to train though !
 
I am sorry to hear about this guys...I have osteoarthritis but have chronic joint pain in many parts of my body. I thought I had lyme disease, RA, or some other issue. So far the tests say no but Idk. I am feeling that within the next ear or so I will have to terminate training.

Hey, besides the pain what are the complications of OA? Degenerative changes in the joints? I don't know too much about OA
 
I have OA. (hands/wrists and left knee) Never noticed a difference with creatine, even when I was going through different types constantly (sponsored). Only supplement that works for me other than fish oil is Animal Flex. Not really a fan of the kitchen sink approach to anything, but it seems as if Animal Flex is just the right combo for me. Got more out of it than Osteo Bi-Flex, come to think of it.
 
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