Cormier's New Prediction on Jones

Are weak punishments making Jones more likely to make more mistakes?

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“I just think he still will need something to really almost punch him in the stomach, because I don’t know if this is going to be it, if I’m being honest,” Cormier told ESPN on Monday. “I just don’t know if this will be it. I just don’t know if this is going to be it.…

“This is not me hoping he would get sent to jail. I just don’t think this punishment is going to be enough to stop him from doing those type of things again. Ultimately, there will be something else. Sadly, there will be something else. It’s just not enough.”
 
Hes 1000% on the nose with that.

The more one gets away with stupid shit the easier it becomes to not care about doing stupid shit.

Loss of a conscience is very hard to recover.
 
Jones is a deeply dishonest man. This dishonesty he even extends to himself. I fear that Jones simply will not change, as he won't be truly motivated to change until it's too late.
 
His wake up call will probably be him hurting or killing someone unfortunately.

Dude is getting slapped on the wrist for so much shit.

No real consequences for him.
 
Jones clearly has substance abuse issues and no remorse or regard for his actions. Until there's serious consequences and he's forced to change, he won't.

I just hope it happens before he seriously hurts someone or himself. I've known 2 people killed by drunk drivers, and I don't want that to happen here, regardless of whether Jones hurts or kills someone else or if he hurts or kills himself
 
As a recovered addict I don't necessarily agree, actually.

I've had to quit 3 drugs 3 different times (I'm counting weed when I was 19 BTW, some may not consider that, but I definitely do). Each time something in my thinking had to snap. It was immediate, and it was heavy.

Sometimes jail can trigger that, but for me it didn't. Not jail, not the DUI, not wrecking cars, not losing girlfriends & other friends. But one day, a hard, very uncomfortable conversation did it.

My best guess is his family. If his parents, brothers and partner did an intervention and told him he was being shut out if he didn't change, he might change.

He might get jail and a family intervention and it wouldn't work (look at Chris Brown). Or, no jail and no intervention and he might get that introspection I'm talking about and clean up on his own. These things are absolutely not predictable.

Now, ALL THAT BEING SAID, I think he should have had a harsher punishment.
 
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“I just think he still will need something to really almost punch him in the stomach, because I don’t know if this is going to be it, if I’m being honest,” Cormier told ESPN on Monday. “I just don’t know if this will be it. I just don’t know if this is going to be it.…

“This is not me hoping he would get sent to jail. I just don’t think this punishment is going to be enough to stop him from doing those type of things again. Ultimately, there will be something else. Sadly, there will be something else. It’s just not enough.”
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The same thing that makes Jones great will not let him change until he kills someone drunk driving or harms his own children in an accident. It has to be something extreme. He's the UFC's verison of Lawrence Taylor.
 
I know a few guys like Jones... guys who have everything going for them and all the potential in the world, but can't bring themselves to make responsible choices. Could be an ego thing, or a narcissist thing... or that he's a hopeless addict. The latter is probably the least likely though.
 
I put 'yes', but I'll qualify that by replacing 'weak punishments' with 'weak consequences'.

The obvious difference would be something like court-mandated counselling/treatment. That is not a 'punishment' so much as a rehabilitation strategy (even though it is mandatory). Also, it does not help when the UFC just parachutes him back into title fights.

People who routinely engage in criminal behaviour, or people with substance use/abuse problems, are often not deterred by the threat of punishment...many are not even thinking about those consequences when they engage in that behaviour. If someone has a substance use problem, they not typically not sitting there thinking "gee, I hope I don't end up in jail" before they use.

Jones needs help, while still being held accountable for his actions. Punishment for the sake of punishment is generally not the best way to approach such cases. That's not my opinion...there is a wealth of evidence out there (criminal recidivism rates, substance use relapse, etc)
 
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As a recovered addict I don't necessarily agree, actually.

I've had to quit 3 drugs 3 different times (I'm counting weed when I was 19 BTW, some may not consider that, but I definitely do). Each time something in my thinking had to snap. It was immediate, and it was heavy.

Sometimes jail can trigger that, but for me it didn't. Not jail, not the DUI, not wrecking cars, not losing girlfriends & other friends. But one day, a hard, very uncomfortable conversation did it.

My best guess is his family. If his parents, brothers and partner did an intervention and told him he was being shut out if he didn't change, he might change.

He might get jail and a family intervention and it wouldn't work (look at Chris Brown). Or, no jail and no intervention and he might get that introspection I'm talking about and clean up on his own. These things are absolutely not predictable.

Now, ALL THAT BEING SAID, I think he should have had a harsher punishment.
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Agreed

Contextual factors like family relationships/involvement, peer groups, social habits, etc. tend to be critical variables in addiction treatment. It usually does little good to just lock someone up, or even to just send them to treatment...if they emerge and all of those contextual factors have not been addressed, then good luck realizing lasting change.

Each case is somewhat unique...but I suspect that It would likely be very easy for Jones to fall into his old habits if his family doesn't get involved, if he continues to hang out with the same people in the same places, etc.
 
But he was only talking to homeless people being nice n treating them like humans (translation = trying to score a bag of coke, meth, uncle sid, bath salts, smack, u name it)

Has he ever had his drivers license suspended? Seems like a pretty obvious first step. The other motorists in New Mexico would be able to rest easier. He is clearly a serial DUI driver. How many times was he loaded behind the wheel that he wasn’t caught for yuh think?
 
Man, such a shame with such a talent.
I still remember watching young Jones and thinking "this dude is gonna be the next champion"

Couple of years forward he keeps having trouble with the law, keeps popping for steroids, no matter how many times he says he's changed.

Wish him the best, but hard to be his fan.
 
He should be in prison imo yet he’ll buy his way out once again.

not sure what the ufc does next but I think they’ll likely double down yet again and push for Jones to return. They’ll try at least
 
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