Confirmed: Team Dricus expected Chimaev to try early finish

[Knob_Halford]

One of the most boring title fights in a very long time however Dricus won this fight under PRIDE rules

Actually made the attempt to finish the fight in the 5th with the RNC while Khamzat just hugged the whole fight

Under PRIDE rules he would be deemed the winner just for attempting to finish the fight while Khamzat would have been issued yellow cards and possibly DQ due to just stalling & holding Dricus on ground and not trying to finish the fight

Only "offense" that Khamzat did was just holding Dricus on the ground and some "brutal" knees to the thigh of Dricus

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Under the pussified UFC rules though, Khamzat won

Even the crowd was booing all that hugging and cheered when Dricus locked in the RNC which officially was the only sub attempt according the UFC stats

Khamzat fans who are defending this hugfest better keep up that same energy when other huggers in the UFC do this

Someone clearly has never actually watched Pride.

There was many fights like this especially in the early pride events.

You are one of those guys that only watched pride in retrospect and never actually watched the full cards at the time.

 

[Captain Herb]

If you watched the fights instead of just the stats, you could see that he indeed did try for submissions.

Problem was that Dricus defended his neck very well, as well his arm when he went for an Americana.

He also defended his back against Khamzat putting his hooks in very well, when he camped out in the turtle position against the fence.

Yeah, most strikes were light, but some of them weren't, especially in round 3.
I also don't think full force knees to the back and ribs from behind look too comfortable, and Dricus showed clear discomfort (wincing).

I know which one of them I would rather be during and after the fight.

There was also a contrast in their urgency when Khamzat was on the bottom compared to Dricus.

Khamzat dug for an underhook to wrestle up (and Dricus tried to guillotine him), whereas Dricus was unwilling to risk giving up his neck and instead tried to control posture from the bottom, which made him end up in a crucifix multiple times.

Threatening a submission is different than attempting one. Based on the 30 significant strikes or whatever, if someone had to win it would be Borzing. It was just a terrible fight with all the stalling and inactivity from both but mainly Zzzat because the onus is on him to do damage or end the fight with his controlling position.

 

[Captain Herb]

No, Dricus lost badly. 50-44. That was so one sided that it could be 50-42. Dricus deserved and lost fairly all rounds dominantly. No question about it, he did nothing

Yeah, he won by the rules but they need to change the rules to prevent stalling on the ground just like they automatically reset when clinches result in no progress. The rules heavily favor the wrestler and can lead to terrible fights like this one.

 

[CatchtheseHands]

Regardless of whatever the gameplan was DDP didn't really show good fight iq here. Khamzat saw the finish wasn't there so he just maintained top position and kept controlling him. Mean while DDP kept playing it safe for 4 rounds until he realized he is going to have to risk giving up his neck to make anything happen and then by then it was too late.

 

[188912345]

Threatening a submission is different than attempting one. Based on the 30 significant strikes or whatever, if someone had to win it would be Borzing. It was just a terrible fight with all the stalling and inactivity from both but mainly Zzzat because the onus is on him to do damage or end the fight with his controlling position.

In any type of sport, the fighter/athlete/team that's losing is the one who should make adjustments and take risks to change the trajectory of the fight/game.

You can't just stall out in a losing position without taking any risk to get out of it, and then blame the guy dominating you.

Of course, in a perfect world I would have liked to see both of them do more to entertain us.

Just think it's unfair to blame only one of them, especially when it's the winning one.

If this was a soccer game, team Dricus was down 0-2, but stayed defensive the full 90 minutes due to not wanting to risk losing by 0-3 or 0-4, instead of giving themselves a chance to get back in the game.

 

[Luffy]

R1: 10–9 Chimaev — early takedown, long rides, light-but-surely ground shots, but not enough impact for a 10–8.

R2: 10–9 Chimaev — repeat recipe: mat returns, back control, incremental strikes, DDP offered little to nothing scoring offense.

R3: 10–8 Chimaev — the clearest frame, mount/crucifix stretches many times with sustained, fight-threatening offense...

R4: 10–9 Chimaev — stand-ups interrupted momentum when Chimaev was striking, but he took Dricus down again and controlled him... still not true 10–8 damage but could be if there were no stand ups.

R5: 10–9 Chimaev — brief DDP moment at the end and top position but it got smothered with clinch, rides, and the on top finish settled it

50-44 Chimaev... Two controversial stand ups in round 4 prevented what could be another 10-8 there as Chimaev was in full mount and piling strikes...

12 takedowns converted from Chimaev —> 12-0 on TDs, 22 minutes of top control, which was ~90% of the fight, 530 vs 49 strikes, and if counting impactful strikes, Chimaev still had ~ 3x more —> 40 vs 13... Chimaev had effective grappling and had the 98% meaningful offense of the fight.... It was a 5-0 contest, it doesn't get clearer, it can't be argued other than 5-0 with one round being 10-8... It's total domination. Not what I expected, but Chimaev dominated completely

 

[dildos]

This was the case of expect the least expected..

Terrible fight.

 

[Luffy]

Yeah, he won by the rules but they need to change the rules to prevent stalling on the ground just like they automatically reset when clinches result in no progress. The rules heavily favor the wrestler and can lead to terrible fights like this one.

Stop blaming the rulebook because Dricus couldn’t solve a single layer of Khamzat’s chain wrestling... seven legit submissions sequences, five crucifix rides, double digit knees and elbows that painted DDPs thighs purple, all while dictating pace and area... that is effective grappling and striking under the unified criteria, period. Goddard saw constant advancement, so only 2 stand-ups... the job to reset and scramble was on to the guy on the bottom, not the one stacking control and damage on every scorecard line, which was Chimaev. Rewrite the rules here and you’d be handing participation trophies to fighters who get ragdolled and pray for mercy instead of learning to scramble. Wrestlers aren’t killing fights, opponents with no answers are.

 

[Myrddin Wild]

Borz is learning. As he should. His body broke down under the stress of going atomic in teh 1st & training too hard... he now has to take a more GSP approach.

For better or worse, that's where they're at. If you or me don't like it then we have the option to work our way up to confronting him in teh cage ourselves. The beating the body takes on that journey has proved too much to maintain for Borz. We have to respect that now.

 

[ComfortablyNumb55]

One of the most boring title fights in a very long time however Dricus won this fight under PRIDE rules

Actually made the attempt to finish the fight in the 5th with the RNC while Khamzat just hugged the whole fight

Under PRIDE rules he would be deemed the winner just for attempting to finish the fight while Khamzat would have been issued yellow cards and possibly DQ due to just stalling & holding Dricus on ground and not trying to finish the fight

Only "offense" that Khamzat did was just holding Dricus on the ground and some "brutal" knees to the thigh of Dricus

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Under the pussified UFC rules though, Khamzat won

Even the crowd was booing all that hugging and cheered when Dricus locked in the RNC which officially was the only sub attempt according the UFC stats

Khamzat fans who are defending this hugfest better keep up that same energy when other huggers in the UFC do this

I never watched Pride, so if DDP would've been the winner in Pride, I'm glad I didn't watch it.

 

[Captain Herb]

In any type of sport, the fighter/athlete/team that's losing is the one who should make adjustments and take risks to change the trajectory of the fight/game.

You can't just stall out in a losing position without taking any risk to get out of it, and then blame the guy dominating you.

Of course, in a perfect world I would have liked to see both of them do more to entertain us.

Just think it's unfair to blame only one of them, especially when it's the winning one.

If this was a soccer game, team Dricus was down 0-2, but stayed defensive the full 90 minutes due to not wanting to risk losing by 0-3 or 0-4, instead of giving themselves a chance to get back in the game.

MMA isn't like those sports in that respect. The rules say you have to stay active and cause damage

 

[Captain Herb]

Stop blaming the rulebook because Dricus couldn’t solve a single layer of Khamzat’s chain wrestling... seven legit submissions sequences, five crucifix rides, double digit knees and elbows that painted DDPs thighs purple, all while dictating pace and area... that is effective grappling and striking under the unified criteria, period. Goddard saw constant advancement, so only 2 stand-ups... the job to reset and scramble was on to the guy on the bottom, not the one stacking control and damage on every scorecard line, which was Chimaev. Rewrite the rules here and you’d be handing participation trophies to fighters who get ragdolled and pray for mercy instead of learning to scramble. Wrestlers aren’t killing fights, opponents with no answers are.

Where I see insignificant strikes and pitter patter, you see ferocious gnp. Of course we're not going to agree.

 

[richardjohnson]

Yeah that’s what I’ve been saying. Seems like they barely drilled defending takedowns or any sort of getups. Their plan was to defend the early submission attempts and takeover once Khamzat tired himself out but when that didn’t happen Dricus had no answers.

 

[The XL]

It does seem like they were waiting for Khamzat to blow his load early. Problem is that you eventually have to adapt. It should have been clear after round two that Khamzat was playing it safe and not expending much energy

 

[kdday]

One of the most boring title fights in a very long time however Dricus won this fight under PRIDE rules

Actually made the attempt to finish the fight in the 5th with the RNC while Khamzat just hugged the whole fight

Under PRIDE rules he would be deemed the winner just for attempting to finish the fight while Khamzat would have been issued yellow cards and possibly DQ due to just stalling & holding Dricus on ground and not trying to finish the fight

Only "offense" that Khamzat did was just holding Dricus on the ground and some "brutal" knees to the thigh of Dricus

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Under the pussified UFC rules though, Khamzat won

Even the crowd was booing all that hugging and cheered when Dricus locked in the RNC which officially was the only sub attempt according the UFC stats

Khamzat fans who are defending this hugfest better keep up that same energy when other huggers in the UFC do this

Under pride rules he could've easily took Ddp down held him in north south and kneed his face in, your acting like both guys don't have about 20 combined fights under these rules.

Ddp knew exactly was the game plan was, instead of making Khamzat work for positions ddp layed on his back and did nothing but go back to his corner smirking as if Khamzat gassed due to bad cardio in previous fights and not guys giving resistance to his wrestling

Cope on brother, and keep simping for Keith Jardine 2.0

 

[usernamee]

In any type of sport, the fighter/athlete/team that's losing is the one who should make adjustments and take risks to change the trajectory of the fight/game.

You can't just stall out in a losing position without taking any risk to get out of it, and then blame the guy dominating you.

Of course, in a perfect world I would have liked to see both of them do more to entertain us.

Just think it's unfair to blame only one of them, especially when it's the winning one.

If this was a soccer game, team Dricus was down 0-2, but stayed defensive the full 90 minutes due to not wanting to risk losing by 0-3 or 0-4, instead of giving themselves a chance to get back in the game.

Exactly.

Imagine the final game of the Stanley Cup and a team is leading and is focused on controlling the puck and not making any risky passes or going too hard forward.

And now imagine the losing team that's about to lose the Stanley Cup is just holding on and playing conservatively themselves. Not even pulling their goalie in the final minutes of the game.

They would get roasted to BOLIVIAN and the coach would be FIRED.