Combat Sports fun: striking vs grappling (rant)

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So I posted in another thread and kind of realized something as I posted it.

I've been doing muay Thai for the past month. Not gonna lie, I love it. I don't enjoy hurting people. I don't enjoy street fighting. I don't enjoy tough guy'ing. But I enjoy fighting. So it's pretty fun to be able to punch and kick people in the face as a game and smile and touch gloves after the fact. Hey man, good game. You punched me in the face way more than I punched you. Good job. Or, hey, thanks for being a good sport after I lit you up. It's exhilarating in a way that BJJ isn't.

Buuuuuut.....it just doesn't beat BJJ in my opinion. This is my preference, I'll admit. This isn't some analysis about how BJJ is better or whatever. This is my personal preference.

What I truly enjoy about BJJ; well, two things: The art of controlling chaos, and the KO without the KO. Allow me to explain.

First let me start by admitting that I'm a total noob at striking arts. I've had street fights in the past, but I've always been grappling dominant since my uncle taught me to wrestle, take down, mount, ground and pound. But pure stand up striking is foreign to me.

My first impression of pure striking is that it's very chaotic. It's basically my strategized chaos vs your strategized chaos. I felt very out of control. The longer I didn't have this guy clinched and incapable of striking, the more chances he or she has to do some wild shit I've never seen. Anything can happen. A front kick. A counter left hook. A cartwheel kick. Ok, not common, but still, it's possible. And the only thing I can control is how I defend it. Again, it's fun. It's cerebral. It's a great workout. And I'm learning relevant skills. There is no doubt about it, I'm hooked and I can't wait to keep learning and sparring.

But here's the beauty of BJJ. First, I feel like BJJ is the martial art of controlling chaos. If you're on top and you want to punch me, I'm controlling your chaos and preventing the damage. My ability to sweep puts me in a position to control or damage. Basically, my guard gives me the power to control or mitigate chaos. And if I'm on top, again, same thing. I control the show. I can decide to rain terror down on your face. I can simply sit there and control you until authorities show up. I can choke you or break a limb...or control that limb. Basically, BJJ puts me in control. I like that a lot. I like the practicality of BJJ as a martial art. I like the fun of it. I like the art and strategy. But I digress.

Side note: I mostly use martial arts as a way to stay healthy. I don't intend on competing and being Mr. Mundials. I don't have the time, money, or need for validation. So to me it's more about practicality, fun, and efficiency. But back to the point.

In muay Thai sparring, KO'ing your training partners is frowned upon. I mean, it makes sense. I'm not complaining. I don't wanna get KO'd either. Just getting popped in the eye while I'm wearing contacts is bad enough. But in BJJ, the "KO" is encouraged. The ability to finish the fight is encouraged. In fact, you can get the "KO" multiple times during a round. How awesome is that? In muay thai, or boxing, you pretty much have to test yourself in the ring to see if you have what it takes to finish a fight. In BJJ you develop the skill to finish a fight constantly. While I'm enjoying learning the striking arts to learn things like distance, timing, technique, strategy and so forth, I don't really know if my knees from the clinch are enough to KO. I don't know if my straight right really has KO power. I feel like it does, but I don't know for sure. I can't throw my full power in sparring.

But I DO know that my mounted triangle is a mf'er. I DO know that my knee bars are a mf'er. I DO know that I can pass guard and get dominant position. So I feel like BJJ gives me a bit more of a confidence boost. I feel that it's also more practical because of this fact. Also, because I get the satisfaction of the tap, it's simply more fun! What other sport or martial art can you KO your partner over and over and have it be OK?

Again, I love the striking arts. And I'm learning great practical tools to add to my arsenal. But ultimately, there's just something special about BJJ. I just can't help loving BJJ more than striking.



What are your thoughts?


TL;DR: BJJ is more fun because you can control your opponent and get the finish as often as you want/can. In striking, you have less control and you can't KO your training partners. So BJJ is more fun and practical. This is my opinion.
 
So I posted in another thread and kind of realized something as I posted it.

I've been doing muay Thai for the past month. Not gonna lie, I love it. I don't enjoy hurting people. I don't enjoy street fighting. I don't enjoy tough guy'ing. But I enjoy fighting. So it's pretty fun to be able to punch and kick people in the face as a game and smile and touch gloves after the fact. Hey man, good game. You punched me in the face way more than I punched you. Good job. Or, hey, thanks for being a good sport after I lit you up. It's exhilarating in a way that BJJ isn't.

Buuuuuut.....it just doesn't beat BJJ in my opinion. This is my preference, I'll admit. This isn't some analysis about how BJJ is better or whatever. This is my personal preference.

What I truly enjoy about BJJ; well, two things: The art of controlling chaos, and the KO without the KO. Allow me to explain.

First let me start by admitting that I'm a total noob at striking arts. I've had street fights in the past, but I've always been grappling dominant since my uncle taught me to wrestle, take down, mount, ground and pound. But pure stand up striking is foreign to me.

My first impression of pure striking is that it's very chaotic. It's basically my strategized chaos vs your strategized chaos. I felt very out of control. The longer I didn't have this guy clinched and incapable of striking, the more chances he or she has to do some wild shit I've never seen. Anything can happen. A front kick. A counter left hook. A cartwheel kick. Ok, not common, but still, it's possible. And the only thing I can control is how I defend it. Again, it's fun. It's cerebral. It's a great workout. And I'm learning relevant skills. There is no doubt about it, I'm hooked and I can't wait to keep learning and sparring.

But here's the beauty of BJJ. First, I feel like BJJ is the martial art of controlling chaos. If you're on top and you want to punch me, I'm controlling your chaos and preventing the damage. My ability to sweep puts me in a position to control or damage. Basically, my guard gives me the power to control or mitigate chaos. And if I'm on top, again, same thing. I control the show. I can decide to rain terror down on your face. I can simply sit there and control you until authorities show up. I can choke you or break a limb...or control that limb. Basically, BJJ puts me in control. I like that a lot. I like the practicality of BJJ as a martial art. I like the fun of it. I like the art and strategy. But I digress.

Side note: I mostly use martial arts as a way to stay healthy. I don't intend on competing and being Mr. Mundials. I don't have the time, money, or need for validation. So to me it's more about practicality, fun, and efficiency. But back to the point.

In muay Thai sparring, KO'ing your training partners is frowned upon. I mean, it makes sense. I'm not complaining. I don't wanna get KO'd either. Just getting popped in the eye while I'm wearing contacts is bad enough. But in BJJ, the "KO" is encouraged. The ability to finish the fight is encouraged. In fact, you can get the "KO" multiple times during a round. How awesome is that? In muay thai, or boxing, you pretty much have to test yourself in the ring to see if you have what it takes to finish a fight. In BJJ you develop the skill to finish a fight constantly. While I'm enjoying learning the striking arts to learn things like distance, timing, technique, strategy and so forth, I don't really know if my knees from the clinch are enough to KO. I don't know if my straight right really has KO power. I feel like it does, but I don't know for sure. I can't throw my full power in sparring.

But I DO know that my mounted triangle is a mf'er. I DO know that my knee bars are a mf'er. I DO know that I can pass guard and get dominant position. So I feel like BJJ gives me a bit more of a confidence boost. I feel that it's also more practical because of this fact. Also, because I get the satisfaction of the tap, it's simply more fun! What other sport or martial art can you KO your partner over and over and have it be OK?

Again, I love the striking arts. And I'm learning great practical tools to add to my arsenal. But ultimately, there's just something special about BJJ. I just can't help loving BJJ more than striking.



What are your thoughts?


TL;DR: BJJ is more fun because you can control your opponent and get the finish as often as you want/can. In striking, you have less control and you can't KO your training partners. So BJJ is more fun and practical. This is my opinion.

I agree and disagree.

Against an untrained opponent one-year striker is going to be throwing chaos and a one-year BJJ student is going to be in control (assuming they've both got competition experience and don't just spaz with adrenaline).

But at the higher levels a master striker has just as much mastery and control over his opponent as a master grappler.

My striking has actually improved as my BJJ got better. BJJ taught me many concepts I failed to recognize as I trained striking. Such as:

-creating a reaction in your opponent and moving on your opponent's reaction

-off-balancing and dead zones -- a striker's dead zone and how you taking a step to the left or right can have him throwing punches from there

-giving your opponent the openings you want him to take -- that's how you make him feel like you're two steps ahead

-my BJJ jumped to the next level when I realize my BJJ instructor picks the attack he wants and just pushes and pulls at my grips, base and posture until he gets the opening he wants and then he sweeps/submits me, every single time. It works in striking, too.

-when you clinch, how much easier the game is when you put all his weight onto one of his legs

-what it means to truly chain attacks and to have your bread and butter as your second attack

I'm not an expert in either, though.
 
Yeah I like grappling more than striking. Mostly because it's just more fun, which is really subjective. And I like that you can train really hard without beating up your body too bad. Hitting pads or light timing sparring is fun, but man hard sparring is rough on the body. Haven't done any in a long time
 
dmwalking, I think you will find that if you stick with striking, the most random, hard, crazed noob flailing becomes predictable. Unless you have what it takes to become the champ, there will always be people who are capable of going too fast for you too fight - just like some people in BJJ are too strong to frame against or pitchers too fast to swing on.

You can't practice knocking people out, but you can drop people with body or leg shots in training and it really isn't that big of a deal. You don't even have to hit people that hard once you know what you are doing, and if they are hard, they will appreciate it.

You can't knock people out to see what you can really do in training anymore than you can rip an arm bar or neck crank in BJJ.

In my opinion, there is no difference in taking a shot because you pulled a punch that could have knocked someone out, and getting tapped in BJJ because you did your arm bar so slow that they had time to do some technical defense they would have never caught if you just ripped their arm down JJJ style. In either case, getting hit or tapped is meaningless, or meaningful, in the same way only getting 9 reps on a 10 rep set is. Hardly worth writing home about.

I think that wrestling on your feet directly translates to standup striking skill so long as you are doing both. The staggered stance, foot work, and posture when avoiding snap downs and guillotines has carry over.
 
A top-level striker has as much control over a lesser opponent as a top-level grappler would have.

Everything is chaotic when you got new people trying to do things/not fully aware of what's going on. Using that to form opinions is why people think BJJ/judo is pajama-wrestling.
 
Hey guys, sincere thanks for the responses. This actually encourages me to pursue my improvement in Muay Thai to see the results you guys have achieved.

Thanks again.
 
Lets put it this way is way way more fun to choke people out than to kick and punch the air... I bjj most clases end up with a rolling session he'll some schools are notably for the lack of anything but rolling... Rolling is just way more fun, If you like punching people in the face, it is not alien even in most bjj sport school to put on gloves ans do mma.

You can also go way harder while grappling than sparring.. A sparring session with the wrong intensity apply could end up in not such a friendly sparring session...specially if you don't know the other person all that well..
 
I've been interested in doing MT for years. I have 2 reasons why I haven't done it yet. The first is that I'm in my 30's and I'm scared to get busted up because I already get banged up enough in bjj. My other reason is that I already have less time than I'd like to do bjj and it will only get to be even less when I get married and have a family So I want to spend as much time as possible on grappling.

If I were 10 years younger I would definitely do muay thai. I think it would make me a better martial artist and maybe I'm being overkill by thinking I would definitely get busted up. Maybe I'll give it a shot sometime.
 
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