Clarification on head spiking

[Gensoking]

Read this in a pdf of some commission's rule set and thought it made sense so I'd discuss it. The rule wasn't written super well, but I think the idea is that you can essentially slam somebody on their head as long as they have some way to potentially move their body to avoid hitting their head. It was banning "piledriving." So, I'm guessing the part that is illegal would be to trap their head so they can't move it before you slam them down on it, like a piledriver does in pro wrestling with their thighs.

 

[GSPrush1]

I think the rule should be you shouldn't be allowed to slam anyone on their head. Seems to dangerous would hate to see a fighter get a serious injury that way. Slam them on their back instead.

 

[Get To Da Choppa]

I feel like the rules are inconsistent. Gerald Harris slammed David Branch into living death by placing his elbow across Branch's neck to prevent him from tucking the chin, and it was deemed fine.

But when Nate Marquardt slammed Leites it was deemed an illegal move

 

[ifindgifsforjackslack]

I think the rule should be you shouldn't be allowed to slam anyone on their head. Seems to dangerous would hate to see a fighter get a serious injury that way. Slam them on their back instead.

Man its hard enough to shoot in on someone deep enough to lift them, if i lift them and turn that corner, im not putting more energy in to turn them onto their back. Its unfortunate but just the way it is. Don't intentionally lock someone in to a spike is about the best we can do bar completely banning slams.

 

[Carrotman23]

You can slam someone on their head it's done all the time, the rule of head spiking has to do with slamming someone in a sort of upside down straight position (think of it like the 90 degree elbow but for head slamming) where the impact is taken on the neck . In other words someone's body weight and the momentum of the slam can break the neck, at least in theory .I'm not sure how often that actually occured before the rule was implemented, but a quick Google search sort of shows what it is

 

[EndlessCritic]

You're allowed to slam someone any way you want if they're attempting a submission.

 

[DaRivv20]

I think the rule should be you shouldn't be allowed to slam anyone on their head. Seems to dangerous would hate to see a fighter get a serious injury that way. Slam them on their back instead.

I’ve seen people straight up die from being slammed on their head. Granted the canvas is a lot safe but still the potential for injury is huge.

 

[Th3Sav4ge]

its never called anyways. there have been multiple in the ufc

 

[Human Bass]

Damn, people here are kinda dumb. Let me explain to all of you IQ 90.

If the the slammed fighter was attaching himself to the opponent (closed guard, locking a sub, etc) it's his fault he put himself in a position to get the head spiked.

The head spike is only illegal when the slammer has total control of the slammed.

 

[BigTruck]

I feel like the rules are inconsistent. Gerald Harris slammed David Branch into living death by placing his elbow across Branch's neck to prevent him from tucking the chin, and it was deemed fine.

But when Nate Marquardt slammed Leites it was deemed an illegal move

Nate's is a legit piledriver and spiked him on the top of his head. That can cause neck breaks. The Harris vs branch was a slam not a spike but still just as dangerous imo. I don't really like seeing that either way as there's to much force there and could Seriously fuck someone up for good.

 

[RogerB08]

I feel like the rules are inconsistent. Gerald Harris slammed David Branch into living death by placing his elbow across Branch's neck to prevent him from tucking the chin, and it was deemed fine.

But when Nate Marquardt slammed Leites it was deemed an illegal move

Because Nate purposely lifted him upside down and drove the top of his head into the canvas.

 

[Tito Tapped]

Why would you not quote the exact rule your talking about? Instead you give us your idea of what you think it means.

 

[Only Here for Attachments]

Spiking is when the downward impact on the top of head compresses the neck. This has killed and paralyzed people. Gerald Harris’ slam was not a spike

 

[sangreporsangre]

Damn, people here are kinda dumb. Let me explain to all of you IQ 90.

If the the slammed fighter was attaching himself to the opponent (closed guard, locking a sub, etc) it's his fault he put himself in a position to get the head spiked.

The head spike is only illegal when the slammer has total control of the slammed.

An example that I can think of is Pellegrino vs Camoes.

Camoes could have had his neck broken but it was perfectly legal for the reasons you stated.

 

[HHJ]

I feel like the rules are inconsistent. Gerald Harris slammed David Branch into living death by placing his elbow across Branch's neck to prevent him from tucking the chin, and it was deemed fine.

But when Nate Marquardt slammed Leites it was deemed an illegal move

The marquardt one is much more dangerous. He could have paralyzed him.

 

[GreatSaintGuillotine]

Controlled slams where you intentionally spike the head are illegal unless the person getting slammed is an position where they could free themselves to stop it (i.e. submission)

 

[El Fernas]

I feel like the rules are inconsistent. Gerald Harris slammed David Branch into living death by placing his elbow across Branch's neck to prevent him from tucking the chin, and it was deemed fine.

But when Nate Marquardt slammed Leites it was deemed an illegal move

Out of those 2 Nate's is the one that looks ilegal to me, also one guy did the exact slam as Harris not long ago, Levitt is his last name i believe.

 

[Luthien]

 

[Kryptt]

 

[humdizzle]

if the opponent is clinging on for a backpack or armbar/sub then i don't see an issue. they could just let go of the position to avoid the situation

the Nate one was illegal. Lietes could not have gotten out of that position.