canker sores...

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not cold sores, canker sores. the ones you get inside your lips and/or tongue

my teeth are pretty fucked up, so even when i use a good quality mouthguard i still get cuts inside my lips 1x every 2 months ish(from bumps when rolling). these cuts ALWAYS develop into fucked up canker sores and they hurt bad. depending on the cuts inside my lips i would have 2-3 at a time. (if i get 2 cuts close to each other they morph into 1 giant canker sore. these hurt BAD)

anyone know what im talking about? any home remedies? solutions? im all ears!
 
I happen to have this same problem. Some people are just more predisposed to canker sores. Some theories suggest a zinc deficiancy. Consider supplementing this.

Since you're one of us lucky people who get these suckers often. Let's educate ourselves:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphthous_ulcer

A canker sore is an ulcer. Wonderfully, we know about as much about mouth ulcers as we used to know about stomach ulcers. Because of this, we give mostly the same diagnosis. Which is that it's cause is unknown, but perhaps stress aggravates it. (What doesn't stress aggravate?). Now, I don't know about everyone. But in my experience, this is what's up:

What's certain is that small cuts and damage on the mucous membrane of the mouth is what triggers it. Other causes are incredibly numerous. Infections of many kinds. Typically herpes or other virus, but also bacterial or fungal infections of many types.

In most cases, stopping the initial outbreak, especially after damage has occurred is pretty much impossible if you are the kind of guy who gets them a lot. However stopping the worsening and speeding up the healing process is possible depending on what causes the secondary infection (What makes it grow). My preferred method is that if I start to feel the onset of a canker sore. I rinse my mouth very often with a strong mouthwash. I try to do this at least 2-3 times a day, if not more. A proper mouthwash mind you. Corsodyl is a brand that has chlorhexidine digluconate in it while Listerine does not!!. Chlorhexidine has strong antibacterial properties (It kills and prevents new growth). It also to a degree counteracts fungus. That's a pretty good match for our common reasons for canker sores.

Note that chlorhexidine will screw with your tastebuds and is not recommended for prolonged use.. For more reasons than the fact that it takes away your tongues ability to make sense of things. It can also stain the teeth and tongue. Note that this is with prolonged use. Not some rinses if you get a canker sore.

So my advice to you and my theory because of the typical nature of BJJ is that your lesions can't be stopped and that they possibly grow larger due to bacterial infection, but most likely you can cut some of the healing time and to a certain extent cool the pain by rinsing with mouthwash containing chlorhexidine. (Like Corsodyl).


Any other remedies I'm not aware of. The good news is that canker sores always heal on their own. The bad news is that relief is scarce and that there are about as many methods to deal with it as there are people.

I hope the chlorhexidine thing helps you out. It certainly did for me. It's cut the healing time at least in half if not more.

Good luck!
 
Try taking L-Lysine. It's available at any grocery store/pharmacy and if I remember correctly it's pretty cheap. I used to get canker sores all the time and whenever one popped up I would take that and it would go away in about 2 days.

Then again, could've been coincidence. Haven't had one in a few years though.
 
ah man, i've been getting canker sores since i was in elementary school. after becoming an adult i've found it linked to my stress levels. although, when i do bite my cheek or get hit, they tend to develop about 50% of the time. i use listerine and salt water to help with the healing. also, some oragel, while it doesn't help heal, it makes it a little more bearable to deal with. i was dealing with some pretty high work stress that caused 3 of them to just appear over night. straight agony
 
^^^ Toothpaste can be problematic for sure. I was told by a dentist that it may be caused by an allergy to Sodium Laurel Sulfate (SLS) which is apparently common. Not only is the allergy common, the chemical is in nearly everything, and its only purpose is to build lather, nothing else.

These ulcers are a plague of mine as well. If I happen to have ulcers, my routine is to several times a day, brush teeth -> listerine -> rinse with this wonderful powder; Oral-B Amosan.

The only problem is the c0cksuckers at Oral-B discontinued the stuff, and for a while I couldn't get any. Shoppers Drug Mart in Canada now sells a no name version called Oral Wound Cleanser. Same ingredients, just doesn't taste as good.

The active ingredient is Sodium Perborate Monohydrate.

Try looking for some kind of rinse containing that. It works. Without it my ulcers may last well over a week, throw that rinse in the mix and they clear up in a couple of days.

Failing to find anything like that, try to grab any kind of antiseptic mouth rinse you can find. I have used "Steri/sol" with some success when I was unable to find any Amosan. It's active ingredient is Hexetidine.
 
I put alum powder in mine, causes them to dry up and heal over within a day.

However, it stings like a mother fucker. I always put it in then go to sleep so I dont have to be bothered by the stinging
 
alum powder whats that?

i get something called the canker cover..the thing claims it heals with one patch, but in all honesty it takes about one and then two days later it starts to heal...

these things are a bitch but i've gotten used to it.
 
I avoid eating too much acidic foods, and when i do get canker sore i just pop em with a needle.
 
1. Change your tooth paste to sensodyne
2. Take Iron supplement
3. Calcium supplement
4. Fish oil supplement
5. Lysine supplement
6. treat it with salt water

It works for me!
 
I just go from brushing my teeth 2-3 times a day to 4-5, and gargle a mouthwash or other antiseptic (hydrogen peroxide) 6-8 times a day until they are gone. Start early before it gets worse and you can prevent it before it happens. At least for me, I can usually feel one developing and take care of it before it becomes much of an irritant, depending on where it is located.
 
Alum powder is a spice, used in pickling. You can find it in any grocery store. My $3 container has lasted me eight years now
 
1. Change your tooth paste to sensodyne

My dentist's advice was to be careful using this when your young. When your old and your teeth really are sensitive it may not work as well. Just passing this on that's all.

I buy Tom's toothpaste from amazon (SLS free) . If you brush with this you probably wont irritate the cuts in your mouth (when you have them)so they should heal instead of turning into canker sores.
 
Sorry for this bump but in case anyone ever searches this topic here is what I've found through trial and error and as long as I follow these steps my cuts never turn into canker sores. I do any of these to any degree and they become canker sores. This mainly applies to people who get them from cuts. If you get them without a cut in your mouth you can still try these but there could be other forces at play in your mouth.

1) I avoid toothpaste and go with plain water and baking soda. I can't read the labels of toothpaste here but the main thing is you wanna avoid SLS. Though other irritants in toothpastes could cause problems too I guess
2) Avoid as many nut/seed related things. No peanut butter, sesame oil, chocolate, walnuts, almonds, etc.
3) Avoid anything spicy (as in pepper spicy not onion spicy)
4) Avoid most acidic things (though I can get away with coffee and from time to time certain fruits). Specifically vinegars, wine, and almost everything that has any kind of sour taste (ketchup, oyster sauce, mustard, etc).
5) Avoid tomatoes (and their products) like the plague.
6) I avoid mouthwash though the moment I bite myself I rinse my mouth out with water and sometimes even mouthwash without any real problem. However I find once it's been some time after the initial cut the mouthwash can act as an irritant. I can test it out now since I have a small cut that's started to "blossom"

The cuts will usually heal in 3-5 days without any real pain. As a good example, I had a cut on my lip which was fine up until I had something with literally specks of red pepper in it and now it's developed right into a small canker sore (something my gf made with oyster sauce made it worse earlier this evening). If you do one of the above accidentally don't fret, as long as you continue to avoid it should limit the size of the canker sore.

I used to get really huge ones up until I stopped doing all of the above. It just sucks because my diet has a lot of the things from above on a daily basis... so whenever I cut my mouth I pretty much stop eating. But it's much better than dealing with the pain.

As someone mentioned before they're a form of ulcer and what you want to do is not irritate it. For example you have a stomach ulcer but you keep eating spicy crap and it's going to get worse. Same concept except it's in your mouth. Certain proteins found in nuts/seeds/tomatoes are why you want to avoid them. People say L-Lysine helps but I've never tried that personally. I remember
 
Close your mouth and bit on your mouth guard and DON'T OPEN It as you roll..
 
Good post Crimmy, I've been getting these for 20 years. Avoiding acidic(citrus, ketchup, tomatoes, spicy stuff, sweets, CHOCOLATE, Coffee etc) helps in them not forming but once I get them they often have to run their course which can take a week or two. I dont even necessarily need to be cut for a canker to form.
 
I used to get cankersores all the time (still do, but not nearly as much) and my dentist told me to use AIM toothpaste because it didn't have a certain ingredient that other toothpastes have that cause cankersores. I switched and it helped a lot.
 
Invisible: Once they open they become a canker sore they're going to take longer to heal but you can still keep the pain to a minimum, keep them from growing larger, and help them heal at least a little bit faster by doing what I mentioned. Give it a try, specifically make sure no nut/seed based products (oils included) are making it into your food and that you are brushing your teeth with Baking Soda or SLS free toothpaste.

The reason I like baking soda is because there's only one ingredient and it works at cleaning your teeth. Give it a try and if it helps then you know whatever you're using as a toothpaste is what's making it worse/hurt and you can start working with different SLS free brands of toothpaste until you find one that lacks any kind of irritants. The reason I say try baking soda first is because of the possibility that something SLS free might have another ingredient annoying the canker sore.

Actually try this. Next you get a cut, go to the blandest diet you can. Like boiled/steamed vegetables and naked meats. See what happens. Next cut, add just one type of thing back in, like coffee, or chocolate, or pears, or apples, etc. Continue doing this until you know what irritates your mouth and what doesn't. Most of the reading says to avoid coffee but personally I can still drink coffee every day and it won't irritate my mouth like it will with chocolate or almonds. So you also need to spend some time to see how your body responds to certain things.
 
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Since this get necroed I can add that when I was younger I used to get canker sores more often if I drank a lot of soda or juice. And less after I adopter a "healthier" lifestyle. With more water and less acidic junk.
 
Here's what works for me:
Lysine
Selenium
Fish Oil
Calcium
Iron supplements
Rise with salt water.

Hope it works for you.
 
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