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Boxing or Judo as a base?

JudoBitch

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A boxing gym opened right next to me and they offer classes 6 days a week over Judo's 2, I won't start MMA for about a year maybe a year and a half. I'd be doing about 8 to 12 hours of boxing a week vs Judo's 4.Would It be better to do Boxing for a year cause I've already done Judo for a year to round my game before I start MMA?
 
A boxing gym opened right next to me and they offer classes 6 days a week over Judo's 2, I won't start MMA for about a year maybe a year and a half. I'd be doing about 8 to 12 hours of boxing a week vs Judo's 4.Would It be better to do Boxing for a year cause I've already done Judo for a year to round my game before I start MMA?
If you really have the time and motivation for 6 days a week then GO FOR IT!
Boxing + Judo is a pretty nice combo, good luck to you sir!
 
If the goal is MMA then I'd say boxing.
 
"Judo for a year"

U still in diapers son!

LOL!

Kids these days...

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Boxing all the way.

It takes a long time to get proficient enough at Judo throws to pull the, off in a "live" situation. For MMA you would then have to adapt them to the no-gi environment (which most Judo schools won't help you do), then you have to figure out how to set them up while people are punching/kicking you.

Boxing also takes a while to get really good at, but nowhere near as long as Judo and even less time if you're training boxing for MMA. Also, boxing and Judo are NOT a good combo in my opinion. If you want to combine a stand-up art with Judo, Muay Thai makes a lot more sense.

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Somehow I missed that the OP already has a year of Judo. Still though, I have to go with boxing.
 
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Boxing all the way.

It takes a long time to get proficient enough at Judo throws to pull the, off in a "live" situation. For MMA you would then have to adapt them to the no-gi environment (which most Judo schools won't help you do), then you have to figure out how to set them up while people are punching/kicking you.

Boxing also takes a while to get really good at, but nowhere near as long as Judo and even less time if you're training boxing for MMA. Also, boxing and Judo are NOT a good combo in my opinion. If you want to combine a stand-up art with Judo, Muay Thai makes a lot more sense.

Judo takes longer to get really good at than boxing........

Can you back up this statement.......
 
Learning not just how and when to strike but how to AVOID getting hit (and the ingrained instinct of striking distance/timing) will up your judo ability tenfold. Boxing will serve as a beautiful setup and create openings you never saw before.
 
Can you back up this statement.......

I mean scientifically? No. I don't really think it's all that inflammatory of a statement though. Especially in terms of needing to learn it for MMA.

Mind you I'm in no way defaming boxing. You aren't getting good at that overnight either.
 
"Judo for a year"

U still in diapers son!

LOL!

Kids these days...

2_DenzelBoom.gif
I know that I'm just getting the basics, but I would like to be well rounded cause I want to start MMA once I graduate High School in a year.
 
Judo takes longer to get really good at than boxing........

Can you back up this statement.......
Not really a quantifiable statement, but anecdotally, you will make a lot more relative progress with a year of boxing than you will a year of most grappling sports. They have different learning curves. Boxing takes a relatively short time to become competent, but then hits a lot of mental and physical plateaus trying to get to the next level. Grappling takes a longer time to become competent, but has more steady progression in a path to becoming an expert.
 
When choosing between judo and boxing, you have to ask yourself a question.

Would I rather hit a person with my fist, or with God's green Earth?

Once you've decided that, have at it.
 
Not really a quantifiable statement, but anecdotally, you will make a lot more relative progress with a year of boxing than you will a year of most grappling sports. They have different learning curves. Boxing takes a relatively short time to become competent, but then hits a lot of mental and physical plateaus trying to get to the next level. Grappling takes a longer time to become competent, but has more steady progression in a path to becoming an expert.

I think with grappling you FEEL like you're progressing because every day you learn something new, or brush up on a technique that you didn't know before. Boxing can be a lot harder to know how much progress you're making IMO.

I think it takes longer to become proficient at grappling thank striking, in my experience, but every time I've gone to train sambo I've learned a technique I didn't know before, or a variation I didn't know. I feel like I get a little bit better every time - but I'm still barely a novice.
 
I mean scientifically? No. I don't really think it's all that inflammatory of a statement though. Especially in terms of needing to learn it for MMA.

Mind you I'm in no way defaming boxing. You aren't getting good at that overnight either.

Do you box?
 
Not really a quantifiable statement, but anecdotally, you will make a lot more relative progress with a year of boxing than you will a year of most grappling sports. They have different learning curves. Boxing takes a relatively short time to become competent, but then hits a lot of mental and physical plateaus trying to get to the next level. Grappling takes a longer time to become competent, but has more steady progression in a path to becoming an expert.

Well that's the thing, some people take to boxing like a duck to water others never can get used to getting punched in the face and turn to grappling of some sorts, they will never become proficient.

"Boxing also takes a while to get really good at, but nowhere near as long as Judo"

The above statement is utter crap and is highly subjective but I think you will find there are more people that try boxing and cannot stick it out than Judo has.........
 
I think with grappling you FEEL like you're progressing because every day you learn something new, or brush up on a technique that you didn't know before. Boxing can be a lot harder to know how much progress you're making IMO.

I think it takes longer to become proficient at grappling thank striking, in my experience, but every time I've gone to train sambo I've learned a technique I didn't know before, or a variation I didn't know. I feel like I get a little bit better every time - but I'm still barely a novice.
I think a good way to frame it is that their is a smaller tool box in boxing than grappling, but the real challenge is knowing what tool to use for the right situation. With only a year, you will at least become familiar with most of the tools in boxing even if you don't know how to use them. A year of grappling will still have barely scratched the surface of all the tools available.
You have a good point about the feeling of progress in grappling, though. You can start rolling/randori on day 1 and try to apply your techniques against a resisting opponent. You aren't going to spar as soon or nearly as often in boxing.
 
I know that I'm just getting the basics, but I would like to be well rounded cause I want to start MMA once I graduate High School in a year.
Enjoy the journey man!

I get a little nostalgic thinking back to the first few years of training.

my gauge was when I could take Ukemi from Dans and then pimp them for technique. I'd still get smoked in Randori but paired drills I'd scoot right over to the big boys and they'd be happy to toss me around.

That's when I felt I'd grown up to little boy pants.

Now I keep an eye out for the young pups who are serious about their training and practice with them and give them pointers so I can toss them around and sharpen my own shit.

Have fun!
 
Do you box?

The only sport I still actively compete in is BJJ (kind of old slow at this stage of the game lol), but my background is Judo, Boxing, BJJ and Muay Thai. I'm 38. I've been training in one combat sport or another consistently for my entire life.

My viewpoint on it is this:

Over the years I've watched/participated/helped train for all of those sports. They each have their own little eccentricities and details that are challenging to master. That said, between boxing and Judo, I'm willing to bet that if I could clone a person so that the physical and mental traits were identical and drop one in a boxing gym and one in a Judo school (let's assume schools of roughly equivalent quality), the one in the boxing gym is going to reach the minimum level of effectiveness required for a MMA fight much faster than the one in the Judo school.

Between the fact that there are a ton of solo drills and exercises for boxing so that it can be more easily practiced when not in the gym (and thus when the student doesn't have access to a partner) and the fact that it doesn't require the level of tweaks and adaptation for MMA that Judo does, well, like I said, I think the boxing can be learned quicker and will be more applicable faster than the Judo will.

Again, just based on my own anecdotal experience, but I've often heard this backed up by other trainers as well.

The above statement is utter crap and is highly subjective but I think you will find there are more people that try boxing and cannot stick it out than Judo has.........

Utter crap is a bit much. lol Not sure why you're so offended. In terms of people sticking it out? That's equally subjective. The gym I train at has seen many more people stick with boxing than Judo for example. In fact "sticking it out" is a primary factor in why so many Judo schools are struggling. Most people don't stick it out. I think it's fair to say that it takes a special person to stick it out in either sport.

That said, the context of this discussion is someone who wants to train for MMA so "sticking it out" is assumed for either art. I mean the discussion of which art he should pick goes nowhere if the response is "you won't stick it out" ...

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And mind you that my posts are all directed at what is needed to start fighting. I didn't say for example, that you would be a pro boxer in a year. You won't. But with the amount of time the OP says he has, he's gonna come out of that with likely only a small handful of throws that he can really reliably hit in a Judo match. That's in a JUDO match. Now they have to be adapted.

In the right gym he could actually come out of a year of boxing training with a well rounded set of basics that can serve as a decent foundation for the rest of his game. Since that was his question, it seemed like the best advice from my point of view.
 
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As a Judo BB who also does Dutch style kickboxing (so, lots of hands), I'd say that you're way better off focusing on boxing. For a few reasons:

  • A lot, if not most, Judo doesn't work that well in MMA. Especially some of the really major throws you'll most likely spend a lot of time practicing like seio nage. In addition, you'll spend a lot of time working on gi gripping sequences that have very little to offer in terms of MMA clinch fighting.
  • Judo groundwork the way it's taught most places won't help you that much in MMA. Ronda was a big outlier because she learned a very aggressive and more well rounded form of ne waza being at Hayastan than you're likely to encounter. Most Judo mat work instruction will be about turning people over for pins, and catching gi chokes in transition. Very little fighting off your back, no open guard, no standing up, not really any defense in inferior positions which are all the things you really need in MMA.
  • Judo takes forever to get good at. You could become an effective boxer much more quickly than an effective Judoka who is also able to translate his game to MMA.
If you like striking and you have access to that much quality boxing, learn to box and find a BJJ or MMA school to go to a few times a week to work on takedown defense, submission defense, using the guard to defend against strikes and get back to your feet, and how to defend and reguard from inferior positions. That will serve you pretty well.
 
A boxing gym opened right next to me and they offer classes 6 days a week over Judo's 2, I won't start MMA for about a year maybe a year and a half. I'd be doing about 8 to 12 hours of boxing a week vs Judo's 4.Would It be better to do Boxing for a year cause I've already done Judo for a year to round my game before I start MMA?

There is no rounding out your game before starting MMA. Just train MMA now. If you want to do boxing then do boxing. If you want to do judo then do judo.
 
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